Chandler Makes Announcement Regarding Political Future
LEXINGTON, KY (November 30, 2006) Congressman Ben Chandler will stay in Congress and will not run for Governor in 2007. Long and careful consideration with his family and friends across Kentucky led to this decision.
"On November 7th, more than 158,000 voters in the Sixth Congressional District elected me for the third time to represent them in Washington. I am humbled by the support of the voters of Central Kentucky, and I intend to honor their support by giving my full commitment to the job I was elected to do.
Thursday, November 30, 2006
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
See the Kenneth Stepp general election campaign debate.
Click: http://www.ket.org/cgi-bin/watch/index.pl?&cd=1&date=2006-10-09+18:00 to see the Kenneth Stepp debate for the general election on KET1 television and go the 8:15 P.M. time for that date.
Thursday, November 23, 2006
The Torture Society the KY Fifth District voted to uphold.
The Kentucky Fifth District of the United States House of Representatives recently voted to re-elect the "stay the course on torture" candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives. This means that the present U.S. Government policy toward torturing persons will be kept, probably for the next two years, as the following news editorial explains:
"Owning the Torture Society: The Long Slog of Rebuilding American Democracy
"by Ted Rall | Nov 23 2006 - 9:43am | permalink
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"NEW YORK-- * * *
"A trial without due process isn't justice. It's farce.
"Newly leaked audiotapes of military tribunals held at Guantanamo Bay concentration camp shared the eerie quality of the Soviet show trials of the 1930s. Once again the men are accused of membership in a shadowy terrorist conspiracy. The evidence against them consists of hearsay--the testimony of other miserables giving them up in order to save themselves. They have been beaten, abused and probably tortured.
"Murat Kurnaz, 24, a German citizen held for four years without being charged with so much as a traffic violation, described life at Gitmo to CNN after being sent back to Germany. Among the "many types of torture" he endured were "electric shocks to having one's head submerged in water, (subjection to) hunger and thirst, or being shackled and suspended [hung from the ceiling]."
"They tell you 'you are from Al Qaeda' and when you say 'no' they give the (electric) current to your feet...As you keep saying 'no' this goes on for two or three hours."
"In testimony consistent with that of other Gitmo survivors, Kurnaz said he was suspended from the ceiling for at least four days. "They take you down in the mornings when a doctor comes to see whether you can endure more. They let you sit when the interrogator comes...They take you down about three times a day so you do not die."
"Such precautions weren't 100 percent effective. "I saw several people die," he said.
"Now the United States is trying to burnish its nasty image as one of the world's leading torture states--not by eliminating torture, but by silencing its victims. In a remarkable bit of legal sang froid, the Bush Administration has filed a brief in its case against Majid Khan asking a federal court to seal its torture of him as "top secret."
"Khan is one of 14 alleged Al Qaeda suspects transferred earlier this year from secret CIA torture chambers in Eastern Europe, Central Asia and Pakistan to Gitmo. CIA official Marilyn Dorn said in a Bush Administration affidavit that Khan should be silenced lest he reveal "the conditions of detention and specific alternative interrogation procedures."
"If this argument carries the day," The Washington Post wrote in an editorial, "it will make virtually impossible any accountability for the administration's treatment of top Al Qaeda detainees."
"Sausage making," a right-wing blogger calls it. We abandon American values to protect the American way of life. But we don't want to hear about it, much less watch it. A YouTube video of a volunteer undergoing waterboarding--an illegal but frequently used CIA torture technique that
Dick Cheney agreed was a harmless "dunk of water," a "no-brainer"--vanished hours after being posted.
"When political leaders justify torture, it isn't long before it goes mainstream. Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 21-year-old college student at UCLA, was typing away in the back of a campus library computer lab when security guards demanded that he produce ID for a "random check."
"What happened after he refused was caught on eight agonizing minutes of video shot by another student's cellphone. As he screamed and convulsed on the floor, rent-a-cops repeatedly shot Tabatabainejad with a Taser stun gun.
"Any student who witnessed it was left with an image you don't want to remember," a witness told the UCLA student newspaper. Asked whether Tabatabainejad resisted, the witness said, "In the beginning, no. But when they were holding onto him and they were on the ground, he was trying to just break free. He was saying, 'I'm leaving, I'm leaving.'
"It was so disturbing to watch that I cannot be concise on that. I can just say that he was willing to leave. He had his backpack on his shoulder and he was walking out when the cops approached him. It was unnecessary."
"The video captures the security men ordering Tabatabainejad to "get up or you'll get Tased," shooting him when he complies and laughing as they repeat their demand. "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f------ abuse of power," he shouted at bystanders who were visibly upset but too cowed to intervene.
"The Democratic takeover of Congress has seen high hopes of national moral redemption downgraded to more modest goals: raising the minimum wage, allowing the Medicare program to negotiate lower drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies. No leading Democrat has called for impeaching Bush, closing Guantanamo and other torture camps, or outlawing spying on American citizens without a warrant. There is, however, a sign that something remains of American morality.
"Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd has introduced a bill to defang the neofascist Military Commissions Act, signed into law by Bush shortly before the elections. Under the MCA, the president or secretary of defense can declare anyone, including a U.S. citizen, an "enemy combatant" and toss them into a secret prison for the rest of their life, where they can legally be tortured. The MCA eliminates habeas corpus, a legal right enjoyed by Westerners since the 13th century that forces police to file charges against an arrestee or let him go.
"People have no idea how significant this is," said Jonathan Turley, professor of constitutional law at George Washington University. "What the Congress did and what the president signedessentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."
"Dodd's Effective Terrorists Prosecution Act (S. 4060) would eliminate the most heinous aspects of the MCA and begin the restoration of American democracy before 9/11, when it was supplanted by our current police state. "I strongly believe that terrorists who seek to destroy America must be punished for any wrongs they commit against this country," said Dodd.
"But in my view, in order to sustain America's moral authority and win a lasting victory against our enemies, such punishment must be meted out only in accordance with the rule of law."
"As we've seen in
Iraq, it's easier to destroy a society than to rebuild one. Seven decades after Stalin's Great Terror, Russia is still struggling to establish democratic institutions.
"Unraveling the oppressive legacy of Bush's post-9/11 security apparatus won't be easy either. Even if it passes, Dodd's bill faces an almost certain presidential veto . . . ."
Kenneth Stepp predicts that the United States will "stay the course" on torturing Federal prisoners for the next two years because the Kentucky Fifth District voted for the "stay the course on torture" candidate in the most recent Congressional general election. Like, after the Kentucky Resolutions, most of the Aliens and Sedition Acts of the Federal Government were overturned in 1801 when Thomas Jefferson became our first Democratic President. Many of the current "stay the course" violations of Constitutional law will be overturned when President Bush is succeeded by a Democratic President in 2009.
Iraq, a war of choice!
Iraq, A War Of Choice!
The Iraq fiasco, the war Congress never declared, is a war of choice and those that made the choice both Democrats and Republicans have a lot of splaining to do. People like Jim Bunning, Mitch Mc Connell, Hal Rogers and Ron Lewis that blindly followed George W. Bush into the Iraq mess should be held accountable for their participation or lack of participation. It’s not good enough to put a magnetic support our troops ribbon on the trunk of our cars. It’s not good enough to say we support our troops and then go about our daily lives with no sacrifice or real regard for our troops. It’s not good enough to be pseudo fair weather patriots that wave flags and make speeches, without sacrifice. It’s not good enough for the Christian community to stand idly by and remain silent while thousands upon thousands die. It’s not good enough to let those responsible, for this mess, off the hook, to do so will only empower them to do more of the same. Click here to read the Hardin County News-Enterprise editorial wrote 09.05.02. Our leaders have misled us and we should make them pay!!!!!!!
The Fifth District's choice to "stay the course" in Iraq costs blood, sweat and tears.
Blood, sweat, and tears is the price of the Kentucky Fifth District's recent choice to "stay the course" in keeping American troops in an army of occupation in Iraq. The following story was recently published about the killing that continues in Iraq, in the New York Times:
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The Kentucky Fifth District of the U.S. House voted to "stay the course" in the continued American occupation of Iraq. Three Kentuckians were killed in combat in Iraq in October. The people of the Fifth District of Kentucky have voted that the continuing deaths of American youth in Iraq is worth it, and that America will "continue the course." Kenneth Stepp predicts that the American Army will "stay the course" and continue the U.S. military occupation in Iraq for two more years, because that is what the people of the 5th Congressional District of Kentucky have indicated that they want by their recent re-election of the "stay the course" candidate for U.S. House, KY-05.
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"Civilian Death Toll Reaches New High in Iraq, U.N. Says
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"BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 — More Iraqi civilians were killed in October than in any other month since the American invasion in 2003, a report released by the United Nations on Wednesday said, a rise that underscored the growing cost of Iraq’s deepening sectarian war.
The New York Times
The Reach of War
Go to Complete Coverage »According to the report, 3,709 Iraqis were killed in October, up slightly from the previous high in July, and an increase of about 11 percent from the number in September.
The figures, which include totals from the Baghdad morgue and hospitals and morgues across the country, have become a central barometer of the war here and a gauge of the progress of the American military as it tries to bring stability to this exhausted country.
A dangerous trend has surfaced: Sixty-five percent of all deaths in Baghdad were categorized as unidentified corpses, the signature of militias, who kidnap, kill and throw away bodies at a rate that now outstrips the slaughter inflicted by suicide bombers. The report did not offer a breakdown by sect, and it is impossible to tell who is dying in greater numbers.
Indeed, the 52 bodies found by the authorities on Wednesday were far more than the 16 Iraqis reported killed in Baghdad and Baquba, a violent city north of the capital.
“We have a situation in which impunity prevails,” said Gianni Magazzeni, chief of the United Nations’ Human Rights Office in Baghdad, which compiled the report. “It’s critically important for the government to ensure that justice is done.”
Even daily life spoke of war and a society in collapse. The report painted a portrait of social calamity that included 100,000 Iraqis a month fleeing to Syria and Jordan, and schools in some of the most violent areas of the country almost completely shut down. Areas that are not mixed — Iraq’s Kurdish north and portions of its Shiite south — were far safer.
The figures illustrate in stark percentages just how deeply the killing has sunk into Iraqi society. They had been a point of contention for the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, which suppressed them in September after criticizing them as inflated. The American military has also criticized the figures as high, but it does not release statistics of its own.
President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice are preparing for meetings next week with Mr. Maliki, in part to discuss the security situation in Iraq. [Page A22.]
But the United Nations stands by the count, which tallies unclaimed bodies from Iraq’s approximately six morgues and from death certificates — required for burial and for inheritance procedures. If anything, the numbers are low. Figures from hospitals come from the Ministry of Health, which counts deaths only on the day of the attack. Victims who die a day later are not counted.
Deaths declined slightly in Baghdad, by 2 percent in September and October, from the total for July and August. The killing picked up in other areas, like Diyala, a mixed province north of Baghdad, and in Balad, a town where sectarian killing exploded briefly in October. The numbers of wounded in Iraq were slightly lower than in the summer.
After Baghdad, the highest death tolls, in descending order, were registered in Diyala Province, the city of Mosul, Salahuddin Province and, in a very distant fifth place, the city of Kirkuk.
The cycle of violence here is one that American military commanders have made substantial efforts to try to stop. Most recently, they conducted a broad series of sweeps in the capital this summer. But their task has become far more complicated since February, when Shiites began to fight back against attacks by Sunni militants. Now the monthly totals of the dead in Baghdad are running about double what they were in 2005.
Nearly three-quarters of all the nation’s deaths in October occurred in the capital, home to a quarter of the country’s population and its political and economic heart.
That statistic crashed into the life of Sabah, a 41-year-old Shiite, who was returning from lunch with her Sunni husband in northeastern Baghdad in late August, when men in plain clothes standing near a police car approached them at a traffic light. They asked to look at the couple’s national identification cards. Sabah’s husband’s last name is obviously Sunni, and the men grabbed them both in front of a crowd.
“They put me in the trunk, in front of all the people,” said Sabah, her face intense yet distant, experiencing the pain of the memory. “That scene, I cannot forget it.”
"Last year, a majority of deaths were of Shiites in bombings. Now the dying has shifted, and Sabah’s story follows the grim pattern that is typical of most killings these days.
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The Kentucky Fifth District of the U.S. House voted to "stay the course" in the continued American occupation of Iraq. Three Kentuckians were killed in combat in Iraq in October. The people of the Fifth District of Kentucky have voted that the continuing deaths of American youth in Iraq is worth it, and that America will "continue the course." Kenneth Stepp predicts that the American Army will "stay the course" and continue the U.S. military occupation in Iraq for two more years, because that is what the people of the 5th Congressional District of Kentucky have indicated that they want by their recent re-election of the "stay the course" candidate for U.S. House, KY-05.
Saturday, November 18, 2006
Kenneth Stepp salutes the three Kentuckians killed in combat in Iraq in October 2006.
The following is an editorial that appeared with the pictures of the three named war heroes in the paper edition of the newspaper Editorial Posted on Sat, Nov. 18, 2006
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"Lives too short ended in Iraq
"A deadly time for 3 Kentuckians
"The three of them put together didn't get enough years to make one long life.
The latest Kentuckians to die in Iraq were small-town heroes, still young enough to be remembered at their elementary schools and by their favorite video games.
Two were also remembered as mama's boys. Though those two weren't old enough to buy a legal beer in their home state, they were old enough to serve and die in the swirling violence of Iraq.
Army Cpl. Windell Jeryd Simmons, 20, of Hopkinsville, was a graduate of Christian County High School and known for his infectious smile.
A Humvee gunner, he died Sept. 21 when a roadside bomb went off near his vehicle during combat operations in Taji. He was part of the 4th Infantry Division based at Fort Hood, Texas.
Army Spec. Timothy Adam Fulkerson, 20 of Utica, was a graduate of Daviess County High School and a free spirit who liked to tell jokes.
He was killed Oct. 8 in Tikrit when a land mine exploded near his vehicle. He had been serving with the 82nd Airborne Division out of Fort Bragg since June.
Marine Lance Cpl. Jonathan Thornsberry, 22, was from McDowell in Floyd County. He was married to his high-school sweetheart, Toni, and they had a daughter, Haylee Joe. He was passionate about sports, hunting and the Marines.
He died Oct. 25 while conducting combat operations in the Anbar province. He was a reservist in a unit based in Johnson City, Tenn.
We mourn their passing and honor their sacrifice."
Kenneth Stepp salutes the Army Corporal from Christian County, the Army Specialist from Daviess County, and the Marine Lance Corporal from Floyd County who bravely gave their lives in combat in Iraq in October, 2006.
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"Lives too short ended in Iraq
"A deadly time for 3 Kentuckians
"The three of them put together didn't get enough years to make one long life.
The latest Kentuckians to die in Iraq were small-town heroes, still young enough to be remembered at their elementary schools and by their favorite video games.
Two were also remembered as mama's boys. Though those two weren't old enough to buy a legal beer in their home state, they were old enough to serve and die in the swirling violence of Iraq.
Army Cpl. Windell Jeryd Simmons, 20, of Hopkinsville, was a graduate of Christian County High School and known for his infectious smile.
A Humvee gunner, he died Sept. 21 when a roadside bomb went off near his vehicle during combat operations in Taji. He was part of the 4th Infantry Division based at Fort Hood, Texas.
Army Spec. Timothy Adam Fulkerson, 20 of Utica, was a graduate of Daviess County High School and a free spirit who liked to tell jokes.
He was killed Oct. 8 in Tikrit when a land mine exploded near his vehicle. He had been serving with the 82nd Airborne Division out of Fort Bragg since June.
Marine Lance Cpl. Jonathan Thornsberry, 22, was from McDowell in Floyd County. He was married to his high-school sweetheart, Toni, and they had a daughter, Haylee Joe. He was passionate about sports, hunting and the Marines.
He died Oct. 25 while conducting combat operations in the Anbar province. He was a reservist in a unit based in Johnson City, Tenn.
We mourn their passing and honor their sacrifice."
Kenneth Stepp salutes the Army Corporal from Christian County, the Army Specialist from Daviess County, and the Marine Lance Corporal from Floyd County who bravely gave their lives in combat in Iraq in October, 2006.
The Stepp family of Barbourville, Kentucky.
Saturday, July8, 2006 . Pictured are Kenneth Stepp, Wilma Stepp, Carson Stepp and Conrad Stepp.
My Mom asked how she could see my TV interview, and hear my radio interview. You might have the same question. If you want to hear my radio interview with QNN please punch: http://www.qualitynewsnetwork.com/2006intv.htm#Kentucky and then go toKentucky and then punch Kenneth Stepp. If you want to watch the televised Democratic Primary candidates debate between me and James Tapley, punch http://www.wkma.org/election/primary06_forums.htm and then punch Democrats Fifth District. Kenneth Stepp.
Friday, November 17, 2006
Kenneth Stepp and James W. Tapley Join Forces
On May 21, 2006, Democratic Primary candidates for the Fifth Kentucky District of the United States House of Representatives Kenneth Stepp and James W. Tapley joined forces. Shown above are Kenneth Stepp, Wilma Stepp, Conrad Stepp and James W. (Jim) Tapley where they shared lunch together on May 21 at the Cracker Barrel restaurant in Somerset, Kentucky. Stepp and Tapley are shaking hands, and Stepp is handing Tapley certificates stating that Tapley is Stepp's campaign chairman for McCreary County and for Wayne County in the 2006 general election. Enjoying lunch together at the popular Somerset restaurant were Kenneth Stepp, Jim Tapley, Wilma Stepp, Carson Stepp, and Conrad Stepp.
Outside the Cracker Barrel restaurant in Somerset, Kentucky, Kenneth Stepp and his new campaign manager for McCreary and Wayne Counties Jim Tapley stood together for a photograph by Wilma Stepp. James W. Tapley endorsed the candidacy of Kenneth Stepp for the general election for the Fifth Kentucky District of the United States House. In discussing the issues, both agreed that the United States troops need to be withdrawn from Iraq, quickly.
Porch photo of relatives of Kenneth Stepp living in the Fifth District.
Pictured are the candidate Kenneth Stepp together with relatives of his living in Knox, Clay, and Laurel Counties, in the KY-5th District. The photo was taken by Wilma Stepp in rural Clay County.
The Majority of the Fifth District has spoken: "Stay the Course".
The majority of the Fifth District of Kentucky has spoken: "Stay the Course". In response to the expressed wishes of the majority of the voters of the Fifth District of Kentucky, more troops are being shipped out to Iraq to "stay the course" as shown by the following newspaper article from the San Jose Mercury News:
"Pentagon announces another round of deployments to Iraq
"By Drew Brown
"McClatchy Newspapers
"(MCT)
"WASHINGTON - The Pentagon announced Friday that elements of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division will return to Iraq early next year, the first time that a U.S. military unit has been alerted for a third yearlong combat tour in the war.
"Some Marines and soldiers, particularly airborne and special operations forces, have served more than three tours of duty in Iraq, but they've generally been for shorter periods than the one-year deployments that most big Army ground units serve.
"Soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division's headquarters, based at Fort Stewart, Ga., and the 3rd Brigade, based at Fort Benning, Ga., are among the 57,000 soldiers whom the Pentagon notified for deployment to Iraq starting early next year.
"Approximately 20,000 of those troops will come from Army units based in Georgia, Kansas, Washington, North Carolina and Italy. Those units include:
_4th Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kan.
_4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, Fort Lewis, Wash.
_1st Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C.
_173rd Airborne Brigade, Vicenza, Italy.
"An additional 27,000 active-duty and 10,000 reserve soldiers from smaller combat and service support units have been informed that they'll also deploy. The Pentagon didn't identify the smaller units.
The Pentagon also said that 1,500 troops from South Carolina's 218th Combat Brigade Team will be sent to Afghanistan in early 2007. In addition, 6,200 active-duty troops and 600 reservists in smaller units will be deployed to Afghanistan.
"With the war in Iraq now entering its fourth year, Friday's announcement illustrated how pressed the Army is to keep providing enough troops for combat duty.
"The Army has a plan to ensure that active-duty soldiers spend at least one year at home between combat tours and that National Guard and reserve troops spend no more than one year out of every five on deployment. But the Army has had difficulty meeting those criteria. "Many soldiers with the 3rd Infantry Division returned home from their second combat tour in Iraq only in early 2006.
"The announcement also marks the second combat tour for other units, including the 173rd Airborne Brigade, which served in northern Iraq in 2003. And though this deployment will be the first for the 1st Infantry Division's new 4th Brigade, its 1st Brigade is already serving its second tour in Iraq.
"This will be the first combat deployment for the 2nd Infantry Division's new 4th Brigade, a Stryker combat team that was formed last January.
"This summer, the Pentagon had to extend the deployment of the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team by four months in part to ensure that the 3rd Infantry Division's soldiers spent at least a year at home. About 3,500 soldiers with the division's 1st Brigade were alerted in July to stand by for possible deployment orders by the end of this year.
"It's unclear whether those troops, based at Fort Stewart, Ga., will also be deployed in 2007. The Pentagon rarely discusses deployment plans before they're official.
"There are 141,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and 20,000 in Afghanistan. The rotation plan announced Friday is likely to increase the number of troops in Iraq temporarily, with units overlapping as some go into the country and others come out.
"It also means that 168,000 U.S. troops have now been notified that they'll deploy to Iraq in 2007. The Pentagon notified 111,000 troops in two separate announcements earlier this year that they'd deploy to the war zone.
"With the Democrats preparing to take charge of Congress in January, the Bush administration is under increasing pressure to change course in Iraq. With the security situation deteriorating and sectarian violence worsening, some lawmakers, including Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the incoming chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, want to begin withdrawing forces.
"Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who'll be the ranking Republican on the armed services committee, has called for sending more soldiers.
"U.S. military leaders are recommending against troop withdrawals, saying the security situation remains too unstable. Gen. John Abizaid, the chief of U.S. Central Command, told Congress earlier this week that a modest increase of 20,000 troops might improve Iraq's security temporarily, but he added that the Army and Marines don't have enough forces available to sustain that level for more than a few months."
"Pentagon announces another round of deployments to Iraq
"By Drew Brown
"McClatchy Newspapers
"(MCT)
"WASHINGTON - The Pentagon announced Friday that elements of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division will return to Iraq early next year, the first time that a U.S. military unit has been alerted for a third yearlong combat tour in the war.
"Some Marines and soldiers, particularly airborne and special operations forces, have served more than three tours of duty in Iraq, but they've generally been for shorter periods than the one-year deployments that most big Army ground units serve.
"Soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division's headquarters, based at Fort Stewart, Ga., and the 3rd Brigade, based at Fort Benning, Ga., are among the 57,000 soldiers whom the Pentagon notified for deployment to Iraq starting early next year.
"Approximately 20,000 of those troops will come from Army units based in Georgia, Kansas, Washington, North Carolina and Italy. Those units include:
_4th Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kan.
_4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, Fort Lewis, Wash.
_1st Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C.
_173rd Airborne Brigade, Vicenza, Italy.
"An additional 27,000 active-duty and 10,000 reserve soldiers from smaller combat and service support units have been informed that they'll also deploy. The Pentagon didn't identify the smaller units.
The Pentagon also said that 1,500 troops from South Carolina's 218th Combat Brigade Team will be sent to Afghanistan in early 2007. In addition, 6,200 active-duty troops and 600 reservists in smaller units will be deployed to Afghanistan.
"With the war in Iraq now entering its fourth year, Friday's announcement illustrated how pressed the Army is to keep providing enough troops for combat duty.
"The Army has a plan to ensure that active-duty soldiers spend at least one year at home between combat tours and that National Guard and reserve troops spend no more than one year out of every five on deployment. But the Army has had difficulty meeting those criteria. "Many soldiers with the 3rd Infantry Division returned home from their second combat tour in Iraq only in early 2006.
"The announcement also marks the second combat tour for other units, including the 173rd Airborne Brigade, which served in northern Iraq in 2003. And though this deployment will be the first for the 1st Infantry Division's new 4th Brigade, its 1st Brigade is already serving its second tour in Iraq.
"This will be the first combat deployment for the 2nd Infantry Division's new 4th Brigade, a Stryker combat team that was formed last January.
"This summer, the Pentagon had to extend the deployment of the 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team by four months in part to ensure that the 3rd Infantry Division's soldiers spent at least a year at home. About 3,500 soldiers with the division's 1st Brigade were alerted in July to stand by for possible deployment orders by the end of this year.
"It's unclear whether those troops, based at Fort Stewart, Ga., will also be deployed in 2007. The Pentagon rarely discusses deployment plans before they're official.
"There are 141,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and 20,000 in Afghanistan. The rotation plan announced Friday is likely to increase the number of troops in Iraq temporarily, with units overlapping as some go into the country and others come out.
"It also means that 168,000 U.S. troops have now been notified that they'll deploy to Iraq in 2007. The Pentagon notified 111,000 troops in two separate announcements earlier this year that they'd deploy to the war zone.
"With the Democrats preparing to take charge of Congress in January, the Bush administration is under increasing pressure to change course in Iraq. With the security situation deteriorating and sectarian violence worsening, some lawmakers, including Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the incoming chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, want to begin withdrawing forces.
"Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who'll be the ranking Republican on the armed services committee, has called for sending more soldiers.
"U.S. military leaders are recommending against troop withdrawals, saying the security situation remains too unstable. Gen. John Abizaid, the chief of U.S. Central Command, told Congress earlier this week that a modest increase of 20,000 troops might improve Iraq's security temporarily, but he added that the Army and Marines don't have enough forces available to sustain that level for more than a few months."
Thursday, November 16, 2006
National Student/Parent Mock Election.
The National Student/Parent Mock Election had the following results for Kentucky:
2006 Results
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2006 ResultsKentucky
House of RepresentativesDistrict 1
41.30% Thomas Barlow (D)
58.70% Edward Whitfield (R)
District 2
40.38% Mike Weaver (D)
59.62% Ron Lewis (R)
District 3
46.07% John Yarmuth (D)
46.19% Anne Northup (R)
4.57% Donna Mancini (L)
3.17% W.Ed Parker (Constitution)
District 4
43.33% Kenneth Lucas (D)
56.50% Geoff Davis (R)
0.17% Brian Houillion (L)
District 5
49.18% Kenneth Stepp(D)
50.82% Harold Rogers (R)
District 6
61.67% Ben Chandler (D)
38.33% Paul Ard (L)
Kentucky Issues Poll1. Of the issues below, which is the most important matter facing our nation today?
59.3% The war in Iraq
11.2% Immigration
12.3% Energy and the Environment
10.4% The economy
6.9% Other
2. Which statement best reflects your opinion on the Iraq war?
27.2% The war In Iraq was a mistake, and the troops should be brought home immediately.
26.9% The war In Iraq was a mistake, but now that we have made a commitment, U.S. troops should not be withdrawn until the Iraqi government can sustain itself.
21.5% The U.S.was correct in invading Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein; the troops should remain in Iraq strengthening its new government.
10.8% The U.S. was correct in invading Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein; the U.S. should use a similar strategy in dealing with other potentially dangerous countries in the Middle East.
13.6% I don't know
3. Which statement best reflects your opinion on immigration policy?
6.6% The U.S. should have open borders to all those wishing to enter.
30.5% The U.S. should protect its borders to prevent terrorists from entering, but anyone who is seeking work or who has relatives here should be allowed to enter legally.
24.8% There should be strong restrictions on who may enter the U.S., but any illegal immigrants already living and working in the U.S. should be allowed to remain.
28.7% There should be strong restrictions on who may enter the U.S., and all illegal immigrants already living and working in the U.S. should be deported.
9.4% I don't know.
4. Which statement best reflects your opinion on global warming?
9.2% Global warming is over-hyped; there is no significant proof that the world is in danger.
18.7% Global warming may be an issue in the future, but by that time. technological advancements will prevent it from causing serious harm.
40.9% Global warming is a serious issue that we should address by reducing greenhouse emissions and using alternate energy sources.
11.2% So much damage has already been done to the environment that only the most drastic worldwide measures would stop the effects of global warming.
20.0% I don't know."
2006 Results
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2006 ResultsKentucky
House of RepresentativesDistrict 1
41.30% Thomas Barlow (D)
58.70% Edward Whitfield (R)
District 2
40.38% Mike Weaver (D)
59.62% Ron Lewis (R)
District 3
46.07% John Yarmuth (D)
46.19% Anne Northup (R)
4.57% Donna Mancini (L)
3.17% W.Ed Parker (Constitution)
District 4
43.33% Kenneth Lucas (D)
56.50% Geoff Davis (R)
0.17% Brian Houillion (L)
District 5
49.18% Kenneth Stepp(D)
50.82% Harold Rogers (R)
District 6
61.67% Ben Chandler (D)
38.33% Paul Ard (L)
Kentucky Issues Poll1. Of the issues below, which is the most important matter facing our nation today?
59.3% The war in Iraq
11.2% Immigration
12.3% Energy and the Environment
10.4% The economy
6.9% Other
2. Which statement best reflects your opinion on the Iraq war?
27.2% The war In Iraq was a mistake, and the troops should be brought home immediately.
26.9% The war In Iraq was a mistake, but now that we have made a commitment, U.S. troops should not be withdrawn until the Iraqi government can sustain itself.
21.5% The U.S.was correct in invading Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein; the troops should remain in Iraq strengthening its new government.
10.8% The U.S. was correct in invading Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein; the U.S. should use a similar strategy in dealing with other potentially dangerous countries in the Middle East.
13.6% I don't know
3. Which statement best reflects your opinion on immigration policy?
6.6% The U.S. should have open borders to all those wishing to enter.
30.5% The U.S. should protect its borders to prevent terrorists from entering, but anyone who is seeking work or who has relatives here should be allowed to enter legally.
24.8% There should be strong restrictions on who may enter the U.S., but any illegal immigrants already living and working in the U.S. should be allowed to remain.
28.7% There should be strong restrictions on who may enter the U.S., and all illegal immigrants already living and working in the U.S. should be deported.
9.4% I don't know.
4. Which statement best reflects your opinion on global warming?
9.2% Global warming is over-hyped; there is no significant proof that the world is in danger.
18.7% Global warming may be an issue in the future, but by that time. technological advancements will prevent it from causing serious harm.
40.9% Global warming is a serious issue that we should address by reducing greenhouse emissions and using alternate energy sources.
11.2% So much damage has already been done to the environment that only the most drastic worldwide measures would stop the effects of global warming.
20.0% I don't know."
Wednesday, November 15, 2006
Democracy for America Report comments.
Lighting Candles in Dark Places. by Kenneth Stepp
Promoted Wednesday, 11/15/06 @ 1:00 pm. Published Tuesday, 11/14/06 @ 9:21 pm. Linked to DFA Blog Network.
Edit Post
The Fifth District of Kentucky was a dark place for national Democrats, a district that was in the 17th reddest state, by one account. I was the Fifth District of Kentucky for the U.S. House Democratic standard-bearer for the 2006 general election. My opponent was the Republican incumbent Hal Rogers, subcommittee chairman for House Appropriations for Homeland Security. He outspent me on the campaign 500 to one; he spent about $1.5 million to my $2,000.
I asked an anti-war supporter of mine, after the election, if he thought the paucity of financial support was because of something bad about my background, and he said that that was not the reason. I believe that, before I even started, the financial people thought the Democratic cause for taking Hal Rogers' Congressional seat was hopeless, so they decided not to participate. It was like a self-fulfilling prophesy--they all predict Hal Rogers will win, so he gets all the contribution money and his opponent gets none, and he wins.
Both parties had dismal national Congressional campaign strategies. The Republican Party had the Maginot Line strategy of sinking millions into incumbents' campaigns with no plans for backing challenger campaigns. That was a strategy guaranteed to lose in the long run, because, at best it results in breaking even, and at worst, it can result in a loss of seats if faced with strong challenger campaigns.
The Democratic Party had the modified Maginot Line strategy of sinking millions of dollars into incumbents' campaigns, and also sinking millions of dollars into approximately thirty "best-shot" challenger campaigns. That left about a hundred Democratic Congressional campaigns on their own. The Democrats had a bad strategy, but we won control of the House because the Republican strategy was even worse.
We Democrats won most of the "best shot" campaigns and a few long shot campaigns. We cannot count on the Republican Party continuing to follow the election strategy that led to the 2006 disaster for them. We cannot expect that the Republican Party will provide millions of dollars of campaign funds to their remaining House Minority members, but nothing to challenger campaigns--such a strategy guarantees the Republicans will be a permanent minority party. The Democratic Party can win more seats in Congress if it stays out of the primaries, and follows a 400 seat election strategy. It should guarantee each candidate at least a $20,000 campaign fund.
Since I only spent four cents for each vote received, I believe that would have gotten me an additional 80,000 votes and hence the election. My opponent spent over ten dollars per vote received. The Republicans can't keep up at that ratio--we'll wear them down.
I campaigned all over the Kentucky Fifth District. When the campaign started, I figured my main strength was the Democratic Party. I carried, and got sixty per cent of the vote in the Fifth District votes in Bath County--a Democratic stronghold. I got my largest number of votes in Pike County--another Democratic stronghold. I took a beating in the county where I live, and the county where I work--both Republican strongholds. I was told that internal polls showed 90% of the voters agreed with me that we should get out of Iraq, 90% that we should stop wireless wiretaps, 90% that we should stop torture, and 100% that we should not cut federal aid to education--all issues where my Republican opponent and I disagreed.
The Democratic Party stopped its long downhill slide in the South. We won 272 new Democratic state legislators by ousting Republicans nationwide. The Democrats had been steadily losing state legislators in the South since approx. 1980, but that stopped this year and we actually gained state legislators in the South and in the rest of the country. In the Fifth District of Kentucky, net Democratic gains have been made in the Kentucky House of Representatives, and in county offices, also. The long downhill slide of the Democratic Party in the Kentucky Fifth District has ended. I received more votes than the most recent previous Democratic candidate in the Fifth District had received--so the Democratic Party in the Fifth District is on the comeback trail.
The biggest problem is getting the registered Democrats to show up at the polls and to vote for Democratic candidates. A majority of the Kentucky Fifth District's registered voters are registered Democratic voters. In the last several Congressional elections, substantial numbers of Democrats have crossed over and voted for the Republican. In order the win more elections, the Democratic Party in Kentucky needs to work together and act more like a Party, and to get over the "every man for himself" attitude.
Since the time of the Kentucky Resolutions against the Alien and Sedition Act in the 1790's Kentucky has been a hotbed of Democratic principles. Kentucky entered the 2006 elections with seven Republican members of Congress and one Democratic member of Congress. In the 2006 elections, Kentucky doubled our number of Demcratic representatives in Congress--giving us two Democratic representatives. Unless the Republicans cancel their support of the continued military occupation of Iraq, their support of torture, their support of warrantless wiretaps, and their support for cutting the Federal educational budget, the Republican party will continue its decline in numbers and influence in the Federal government--and in the State governments and county and local governments as well.
I plan to be a "shadow Congressman". I plan to maintain my blogspot on the internet, and continue to publish our Republican Congressman's voting record, and how I would have voted. Britain has a "shadow cabinet" of its opposition party leaders, and America should have "shadow Congressmen" tracking the voting records of the incumbent Republican Congressmen, and alerting and educating the public concerning what policies the Republicans support, and which policies the Democrats support.
Many Americans are under the mistaken impression that there is no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and they blindly vote to re-elect incumbents for that reason. With a proper voter education project, the Democratic Party should retake the Governor's mansion and the State Senate in Kentucky in the next two years, the same as the Democratic Party, with DFA help, retook New Hampshire this year.
Location: Barbourville, KY 40906
Tags: Congressional campaign, 2006 Election, reform, Kentucky
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1.Lynn WorpenbergWed, 11/15/061:05 pmReply to this
The Deans are first (and Howard's Birthday is only 2 days away, don't forget to make a DNC contribution in honor of our hero).
2.Lynn WorpenbergWed, 11/15/061:06 pmReply to this
And thanks to Kenneth for not running and for continuing his fight!
3.seashellWed, 11/15/061:17 pmReply to this
How come no one shouts NEW THREAD anymore? Off to look at new computers. :-) :-)
4.Sitka Wed, 11/15/061:19 pmReply to this
Many Americans are under the mistaken impression that there is no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party
Unfortunately, in the past it's been too many Democrats who have been intentionally fostering that impression. Maybe winning an election will help them be proud Democrats.
5.ChrisNYC Wed, 11/15/061:21 pmReply to this
Thanks for the Howard Bday reminder Lynn!
OT-- great post-- finance reform is needed!!!!
SUBWAY--
saw you were on the last thread. Hope yo are well. it was great seeing you at Edwins memorial--sorry you left before we though of taking the photos!
6._ FiReFoX!Wed, 11/15/061:30 pmReply to this
6th
7.Subway SerenadeWed, 11/15/061:31 pmReply to this
ChrisNYC Wed, 11/15/061:21 pm
It was wonderful seeing everybody, and coming together to remember a good friend. I don't mind about the pictures, I got the hugs.
8.Indy SteveWed, 11/15/061:33 pmReply to this
Click for fascinating account behind the scenes in the Lamont campaign. This snippet is telling....
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4641
Barack ObamaQuite possibly the biggest disappointment ... period.
While on his book tour, he was in NYC one day, had a scheduled day off, and appeared in Massachusetts the following day. Yet he couldn't make time to stop in the state between the two on his day off. We made it explicitly clear he was the single senator we wanted in the state above all others.
He declined.
Eventually, we asked Senator Obama to send out an email for the campaign to his Connecticut list. We created a culture in which emails became news (much like we did with the blogs in the primary). They made it entirely clear that he would basically not even mention Joe Lieberman's name in the email, let alone take him to task for his unfortunate position on the war in Iraq. This was disappointing, but I wasn't going to be spiteful. They sent the email, and as I hoped, the press came calling. Our Press Secretary, Eddie Vale, was asked how many people the email went to. He looked on the back-end of the website and saw the number of click-throughs to the landing page I created. He answered "about 5,000." Within minutes of the Associated Press piece going on the wire, I received several phone calls from Obama staff. They were none to pleased about the 5,000 number. Essentially, Obama could be seen as helping, but not helping THAT much. His staff apparently made it clear that the email only went out to 225 people in Connecticut. That's it. The next day we were subject to a correction in the papers and ridicule from Lieberman's campaign and corners of the right-wing blogosphere.
It's also important to note that Obama's email came only after a tremendous amount of pressure built up from portions of various online communities who "threatened" in behind-the-scenes conversations and open discussions online that support for Lamont would be viewed as a part of a "presidential checklist."
Everyone should also know that Robert Gibbs, part of the group that ran the infamous Dean/Osama ad during Iowa 2004, is now Barack Obama's Communications Director.
9.linda bWed, 11/15/061:36 pmReply to this
obama has shown himself to be an opportunist in line with hillary. where oh where are the true progressives??
10.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:37 pmReply to this
TeaTime ~~ from Denise, at 208.
204, whoever you are - I sure hope you didn't lift that from the Wall Street Journal without permission. You didn't provide a source link either. Careful there buddy. Dow Jones Inc doesn't take stuff like that lightly.
11.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/061:37 pmReply to this
Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/0612:25 pmPhil SpechtWed, 11/15/0612:25 pm
I guess I don't know how the military works, ...........................
Finally an accurate statement on your part. Seesh it took you forever to come to this conclusion. You have no knowledge of the role of the military in The Republic or the role of its officer corps.
"I thought there had been an acceptance of the Powell Doctrine. "
A lot of acceptance which lasted right up until the civilian leadership said "We dont embrace the Powell Doctrine" then it was out the window.
The uniformed military takes orders from the Commander in Chief who is elected through his officials which are confirmed by the Senate.
Those officials can be wonderful smart people like Cohen or Cap the Knife or they can be idiots like Greggie.
Cohen, Cap etc listened to the uniformed military about what it would take to accomplish missions. Greggie and Donnie and Dickie are like you. They are their own experts and they know more then any of the "uninformed" uniformed people.
You, Fred, cC, and others should think about that the next time you talk about what a "cakewalk" Darfur would be.
Robert
12.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:39 pmReply to this
Hey, Christy! Was thinking about the World's Greatest Scrabble Game last night. . . . Wishin' I was there. . . xox
13.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:39 pmReply to this
Carville is upping his anti-Dean rhetoric. Guess he didn't get my email. ;-)http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-...Can't James just head off into the sunset with Bill, Hill & rahm? Sheesh.
14.Monica SmithWed, 11/15/061:40 pmReply to this
Well, it seems pretty clear that $2000 isn't enough to get a seat in Congress. It won't even buy enough stamps to send out postcards.On the other hand, what can you say about a man who spends $1.5 million to campaign as an incumbent?Not that he's frugal. Not that he knows the value of a dollar. Not that he's someone you want to trust with your money. That he's in the clutches on consultants who take him for all he's worth? That he's buying good publicity in the press? That he's got a lot of friends who expect favors? We have got to make spending an inordinate amount of money to get elected to public office a negative.
15.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/061:40 pmReply to this
Indy SteveWed, 11/15/061:33 pm
when you understand this you will understand why the far left of the party has ZERO real power.
No organied force, no discipline, no courage to get together to form consensus.
The JR Senator from IL knows this and that is why he didnt care to help Lamont. He also knew that Lamont was going to suffer the fate of the blogosphere...lose
Robert
16.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:44 pmReply to this
seashell, Lynn did 88. last thread. Two minutes after she got firsties! If only everyone would do so well. . . .
17.jc Wed, 11/15/061:44 pmReply to this
vb,
Don't worry. The same people who had the votes to get Dean in as DNC Chair are probably even more pleased with Dean than they were back then. Carville is just trying to get some attention, and the best way to get covered by the media is by using the name "Dean."
18.Subway SerenadeWed, 11/15/061:47 pmReply to this
Fate of the Blogsphere:
Tester
Webb
McCaskill
21 House races to Rahm's 8
I'm good wit dat.
19.jc Wed, 11/15/061:47 pmReply to this
20.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
No doubt, jc. But he's on CNN spouting off his mouth. He needs to STFU - and I don't swear. LOL!!!!He must be losing some money. Oh, and the Labour Party in the UK didn't want him.I need to add Robert Novak to that sunset list.
21.jc Wed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
Hey, Subway. Thanks for the feature spot. :-)
22.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
Somehow, it doesn't make me rest easier at night to know we have an armed, multi-billion dollar military that takes order from any potential idiot who happens to get elected.
I thought that "I wuz jist follering orders" thang went out with WWII. My error.
23.I Need A NameWed, 11/15/061:50 pmReply to this
Obama/Feingold 08
24.Michael EllisWed, 11/15/061:51 pmReply to this
Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/0612:25 pm
I guess I don't know how the military works, ...........................
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Phil,
Im not sure even they do........................from videos ive watched.
25.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:51 pmReply to this
This is a goody from Glenn Greenwald. Rise of the Libertarian Mountain West.http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/200...I'm seeing more *librul* stickers 'round these parts. Still far too many *W* lovers though.
26.jc Wed, 11/15/061:51 pmReply to this
Monica,
Look at how much Hillary spent to secure her relatively "safe" seat.
27.jc Wed, 11/15/061:53 pmReply to this
That's assuming that the military DOES work. Not perfectly, that's for sure.
28.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:54 pmReply to this
jc, I would argue that Hill's seat wasn't even relatively safe but positively safe. She could have run against a fence post and won.
29.Michael EllisWed, 11/15/061:57 pmReply to this
I hate to say it, but the Captain looks like Charlie Graspski.
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TT,
I swear that was tennille in the courtroom too! here they both are! Long live the 70s!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XIsc5TilQo&mode=related&search=
30.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:57 pmReply to this
I'm good wit dat.
Oh, yes! Me, too!!
31.*** cChalfonte***Wed, 11/15/061:58 pmReply to this
Breaking:
General Abizaid Smacks Down McCain’s Plan To Send More U.S. Troops To IraqToday at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, CentCom commander Gen. John Abizaid rejected McCain’s calls for increased U.S. troop levels in Iraq, saying that he “met with every divisional commander, Gen. Casey, the core commander, Gen. Dempsey” and asked them if bringing “in more American troops now, [would] add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq and they all said ‘no.’”McCain has repeatedly said that he would like to see another 20,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. As General Abizaid explained, McCain’s plan runs counter towards our goal in Iraq — specifically, the Iraqis taking responsibility for their own country. Abizaid said, “It is easy for the Iraqis to rely upon to us do this work. I believe that more American forces prevent the Iraqis from doing more, from taking more responsibility for their own future.”Moreover, we do not have the troops to send. Any attempt to send more troops to Iraq would, “at the moment, threaten to break our nation’s all-volunteer Army and undermine our national security.” MCCAIN: Did you note that General Zinny who opposed of the invasion now thinks that we should have more troops? Did you notice that General Batise, who was opposed to the conduct of this conflict also says that we may need tens and thousands of additional troops. I don’t understand General. When you have a part of Iraq that is not under our control and yet we still — as Al Anbar province is — I don’t know how many American lives have been sacrificed in Al Anbar province — but we still have enough and we will rely on the ability to train the Iraqi military when the Iraqi army hasn’t send the requested number of battalions into Baghdad. ABIZAID: Senator McCain, I met with every divisional commander, General Casey, the core commander, General Dempsey, we all talked together. And I said, in your professional opinion, if we were to bring in more American Troops now, does it add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq? And they all said no. And the reason is because we want the Iraqis to do more. It is easy for the Iraqis to rely upon to us do this work. I believe that more American forces prevent the Iraqis from doing more, from taking more responsibility for their own future.
[ok, gotta run or I'll be late]
32.jc Wed, 11/15/062:03 pmReply to this
There's actually a rather obvious solution to keeping troops in Iraq. The current volunteer military can go to missions more vital to America's interests, and a new "special" force can take over the Iraq "mission not yet accomplished."
33.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:04 pmReply to this
*** cChalfonte***Wed, 11/15/061:58 pm
perception is everything if anything McNasty I thought was well pointed in his comments.
More troops are going into Iraq...Even the good General is saying that.
Robert
34.puddle Wed, 11/15/062:06 pmReply to this
Moreover, we do not have the troops to send.
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Wait! I'm *certain* someone said we have 300,000 snake killers ready to go. . . .
35.formerWed, 11/15/062:06 pmReply to this
15.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/061:40 pmwhen you understand this you will understand why the far left of the party has ZERO real power. No organied force, no discipline, no courage to get together to form consensus........Robert----------...lol, hear..., hear...: "no courage to get together to form consensus"...with the...far right of the party...to get to the MIDDLE...(e.g. NOWHERE)...
36.jc Wed, 11/15/062:07 pmReply to this
I guess Rocky forgot to tell Abizaid where all those "snake-eaters" are. I suspect they're sitting in front of computer screens, blogging.
37.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:08 pmReply to this
puddle Wed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
Somehow, it doesn't make me rest easier at night to know we have an armed, multi-billion dollar military that takes order from any potential idiot who happens to get elected...
Well your argument is with The Constitution, the Founders who wrote it, the people who ratified it, and the American people who elect those leaders.
The Soverign get to elect anyone who can reach a consensus among them to WIN.
Robert
38.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:09 pmReply to this
jc Wed, 11/15/062:07 pmReply to this
I guess Rocky forgot to tell Abizaid where all those "snake-eaters" are..
he knows where they are.
Robert
39.Michael EllisWed, 11/15/062:10 pmReply to this
There's actually a rather obvious solution to keeping troops in Iraq. The current volunteer military can go to missions more vital to America's interests, and a new "special" force can take over the Iraq "mission not yet accomplished."
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Ok, we send in 20k more troops............according to my Chinese friends over in Computer Science Department they calculate that since we have most likely killed upwrds of 50-100k Iraqis on our own, lets just say that each of those dead had at least 1 family memeber totally pissed off with the US, so that still leaves us outmanned by 100-200k, at LEAST...............
The Iraqis can safely loose 10 men for every one of ours..................and more are on the way too............
40.jc Wed, 11/15/062:10 pmReply to this
he knows where they are.
Robert
Blogging?
41.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:10 pmReply to this
formerWed, 11/15/062:06 pm
...lol, hear..., hear...: "no courage to get together to form consensus"...with the...far right of the party...to get to the MIDDLE...(e.g. NOWHERE).....
so stand for something that cannot win elections ever.
Whats the point?
Robert
42.jc Wed, 11/15/062:11 pmReply to this
39.
Mike,
The only problem with my plan is that fewer and fewer people will actually admit to having voted for Bush.
43.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:14 pmReply to this
Kay is number 4 in the GOP Senate...and Cornyn is her second....
That is great for the state of Texas and is indicative of two semi back benchers who are moving to the front bench...
Robert
44.puddle Wed, 11/15/062:14 pmReply to this
Notice when the Dems stop focussing on "we gotta win win win" and start focussing on "this is wrong wrong wrong" that they win win win. . . . . Rahm, on the other hadn't didn't, and didn't do all that well, despite biggol globs of bucks. . . .
45.Denise Wed, 11/15/062:27 pmReply to this
Hi everyone!Cheryl thanks for the nice birthday wishes on the previous thread - much appreciated. Still deciding if I'm getting out of bed tomorrow.Puddle, thanks for letting us know that they took out the interloper's post this morning - way to go BFA.
46.Denise Wed, 11/15/062:28 pmReply to this
Oh and go Kentucky!!!!
47.formerWed, 11/15/062:30 pmReply to this
41.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:10 pmso stand for something that cannot win elections ever.Whats the point?Robert-------a) elections were won;b) we have experienced "something that can..." all 8 years under the Clinton and came...nowhere (even worse..., we came to the Bush&Co.)....c) that's why we are "changing course".d) and that's the point.
48.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:33 pmReply to this
formerWed, 11/15/062:30 pmReply to this
I think you are going to find that there is less 'course change" then you anticipate...and I am quite happy with the likes of Casey et al winning in the Senate.
I have more incommon with Webb's views on the war then Webb's views have with say the far left.
Robert
49.mary vbWed, 11/15/062:35 pmReply to this
Brian Ross of ABC News is reporting that Abramoff is implicating Reid. Firefox mentioned Reid yesterday.If this is true - why the heck was Reid given the Majority Leader spot?Any whiff of corruption and these people should resign. http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006...
50.jc Wed, 11/15/062:38 pmReply to this
puddle,
Just think what Howard might have accomplished with the big bucks wasted by Rahm, Hillary, et al.
51.Sitka Wed, 11/15/062:39 pmReply to this
13. mary vb
Gollum wants the Ring of Power Back:
"The Precious is MINE! The Dean STOLE it ,and we WANTS IT BACK!"
52.formerWed, 11/15/062:39 pmReply to this
48.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:33 pmI think you are going to find that there is less 'course change" then you anticipate...------------Sure, it's going to be tough...and slow, but it'll be moving... and even gradually accelerate... Stay on the train..., will finally win..., lol.
53.mary vbWed, 11/15/062:40 pmReply to this
Sitka - You need to add Cruella and Mary side by side. LOL.Whatta lovely couple they make.
54.linda bWed, 11/15/062:42 pmReply to this
about reid and abramoff. reid received CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM SOME CLIENTS OF ABRAMOFF.
HE
55.linda bWed, 11/15/062:43 pmReply to this
HE DID NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ABRAMOFF.
this is pure rove crap. don't believe the man behind the curtain.
56.Stat ManWed, 11/15/062:43 pmReply to this
If this is true - why the heck was Reid given the Majority Leader spot?Any whiff of corruption and these people should resign.
- - - - -
This potential event with Reid will put the nail in Murtha's coffin and provide Hoyer the number two position.
57.linda bWed, 11/15/062:45 pmReply to this
I have more incommon with Webb's views on the war then Webb's views have with say the far left.
Robert
wtf??????????
your are so bipolar. but you knew that. give it a rest. and get some fresh air, the fumes are working.
58.mary vbWed, 11/15/062:45 pmReply to this
So, it's Rovian if it's for a Dem but factual if for a Republican?Let's see the facts - but if Abramoff is talking - I want to hear the facts.
59.jc Wed, 11/15/062:45 pmReply to this
The interesting thing will be whether this is new news about Abramoff implicating Reid or old recycled news about the last time Abramoff implicated Reid.
60.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:47 pmReply to this
mary vbWed, 11/15/062:35 pm
If this is true - why the heck was Reid given the Majority Leader spot?...
Because in this country people are innocent until proven guilty.
Should it be any other way?
Robert
61.Sitka Wed, 11/15/062:48 pmReply to this
Brian Ross of ABC News is reporting that Abramoff is implicating Reid.
The GOP and corporate media tried linking Reid to Dishonest Abe long ago and failed. This could be more of the same. In a political world dominated by Republican smears, I'll give just about any Democrat the benefit of doubt.
62.jc Wed, 11/15/062:49 pmReply to this
I seem to recall the last time Reid was implicated by Abramoff, it was because he received contributions from Indian tribes, some of whom were represented by Abramoff. Being a Democrat in Nevada, it would be unusual not to have supporters from Indian tribes. But, we'll see. If ol' Harry is shown to be corrupt, too, then show him the door.
63.rich^kolker Wed, 11/15/062:50 pmReply to this
Re: Reid and Abramoff
We should wait to hear more than accusations from Abramoff before we throw Reid under the bus
We should not be surprised if Democrats were involved with Abramoff. Corruption in DC goes beyond one party, and as somone once said, "what is frightening isn't what they do that's illegal, it's what they do that's legal"
This is why we need to see more than a D next to their name, and more than a progressive position on one or more issues, we need to look in depth at those we support. Unfortunately, with the current system,few politicians can stand up to that scrutiny.
64.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:50 pmReply to this
linda bWed, 11/15/062:45 pm
James WEbb is against 1) cutting and running 2) an immediate time table...3) he talks about a two year event period...
He is not all that far from my views on the war. I dont like his sexist comments, but I AM SO HAPPY HE BEAT ALLEN.
In so many ways.
Robert
65.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:53 pmReply to this
Sitka Wed, 11/15/062:48 pm
I'll give just about any Democrat the benefit of doubt. ..
so you are the party not the person guy? IE you dont care about the facts, just if a D is charged doubt is ok but if a R is charged well it is horrible and that person must go?
OK
Robert
66.jc Wed, 11/15/062:54 pmReply to this
67.formerWed, 11/15/062:57 pmReply to this
66.jc Wed, 11/15/062:54 pm------...lol.
68.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:00 pmReply to this
Pretty soon Robert will be claiming he supported Webb.
69.jc Wed, 11/15/063:02 pmReply to this
Remember Miles' version (now posting as Malacandra over at Kos)
70.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:02 pmReply to this
Jeez, are we back to this? Plenty of Abromoff's clients gave money, before, during, and after him, to all kinds of people.
71.seashellWed, 11/15/063:04 pmReply to this
im at the apple store trying out his new computer.!!!!!
72.Stat ManWed, 11/15/063:04 pmReply to this
Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:00 pm
If you go check old posts, he did support Webb. He was unsure of his ability to knocl off Allen though.
73.jc Wed, 11/15/063:05 pmReply to this
68.
Phil,
Members of his family did. LOL
74.formerWed, 11/15/063:05 pmReply to this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15726310/fro......Updated: 10:57 a.m. ET Nov 15, 2006BAGHDAD, Iraq - Three U.S. soldiers and three U.S. Marines were killed during combat in Iraq, the military said Wednesday....
75.jc Wed, 11/15/063:05 pmReply to this
Stat Man,
Nope. He said some of the younger generation did.
76.jc Wed, 11/15/063:06 pmReply to this
Yay, seashell! :-)
77.seashellWed, 11/15/063:07 pmReply to this
but where'a the nifty tool bar...im on safari
78.linda bWed, 11/15/063:07 pmReply to this
hmm, the troll is doing an about face ofnwebb and says he made sexist remarks.
hmm this from a guy that has a thing for women's apparel and certain woman tv stars. makes "sexist" comments on these same women. has he read webb's books? I doubt it. but loves the recycled crap from the allen campaign.
webb doesn't need your support, the campaign is over. so get over it.
we won and you are the loser.
79.formerWed, 11/15/063:08 pmReply to this
72.Stat ManWed, 11/15/063:04 pmReply to thisPhil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:00 pmIf you go check old posts, he did support Webb. He was unsure of his ability to knocl off Allen though.---------------That's what the "art of been on the middle" is all about..., to support both...and the win guaranteed..., lol
80.linda bWed, 11/15/063:10 pmReply to this
If you go check old posts, he did support Webb. He was unsure of his ability to knocl off Allen though
he supported webb how????????????///
send money?
work the polls?
be positive and supportive?
no to all of the about from the troll.
he was unsure of webbs abiltiy cause he was a allen talking point person.
as I said the election is over, he did nothing but rant so get over it.
81.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:10 pmReply to this
seashell, for a long time safari didn't get a tool bar at blogger, either. Check your settings to make sure you're on RICH TEXT. . . .
82.Sitka Wed, 11/15/063:11 pmReply to this
65. IRocky Jones
Putting words into other people's mouths is the only way you can win a debate.
83.seashellWed, 11/15/063:18 pmReply to this
hat settings? im on a stragne bc]]computer in a srange store. haven't a clue everything's strange and new even the keyboaad.
84.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:20 pmReply to this
seashell
I have my old computer back with an upgrade to IE 7 on XP and it is running fine.
I haven't had an Apple since my IIE so I don't have a clue about Safari but I have switched back and forth from Netscape and Mozilla
Iowa's Voter Activation Network software is great. We updated daily and turned out 82% of the Dems. 72% was all we did for Kerry which is good, but the troops were fired up this cycle.
the linda b like efforts were the difference nationwide but her heroic effort may have been the actual difference
85.jc Wed, 11/15/063:21 pmReply to this
I'll correct myself now, based on a rant I just found through Google.
After a long rant pointing out all of Webb's faults, Rocky did say he would vote for him if he was a Virginia voter. (empty gesture, though it might be)
Apparently it was the females in the younger generation who wouldn't.
86.seashellWed, 11/15/063:22 pmReply to this
wow wow i can make the text larger from the computer
87.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:24 pmReply to this
Upper right hand side, under Hello! seashell, is a list. One of them is settings. You can choose plain text (no toolbar) or rich text (usually has a toolbar). . . . Take deep breaths ~~ they're not pushing you: they WANT to sell you a new computer, lol!
88.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:25 pmReply to this
I have one browser at boot up another when I click the google home page and a third on a flash drive that I don't open til desparate.
someone would have fun tracking all my cookies down
89.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:25 pmReply to this
seashell, isn't that aA feature wonderful? One of the things I loved most about the mac. You can do it too from firefox (control + scroll up or down).
90.jc Wed, 11/15/063:27 pmReply to this
seashell is going to be unstoppable with a new computer! LOL
91.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
seashell will also knock herself in the head for not doing it a LOT earlier, lol!
92.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
(forgive the spelling ) I have another machine and I can crank the security way up or down
thanks to Luigi and these exposed problems I can see why a lowest common denominator is needed to reach the most people
93.jc Wed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
88.
Phil,
Did someone say cookies?
94.linda bWed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
the linda b like efforts were the difference nationwide but her heroic effort may have been the actual difference
gee whilakers, thanks, that is quite a compliment from somone like you phil. hope your son is doing well in college.
the only true way to get people out to vote is to have the locals do the work. while people appreciate the dnc and webb people being there for "material" support, it is the local people on the ground that made the difference here in va.
I had 42 precincts to fill. I found people to man them and when they said "where are my helpers?" I gave them a list of "strong dems" from out prevail system the dnc made.
I told them to get their friends and neighbors to help them. That is really the most fun. I had my friends come out when their schedule was available. I told them work when u can. That way they felt that they weren't being pressured. The calls I had on my cell that day were beyond beyond.
"I need more literature" - the Webb campaign brought us over 3000 pieces of literature mid day.
I now have 42 precinct chairs in place for the next election. This wasn't perfect but webb beat allen big time in our city and the surrounding areas. And as I said before, NOVA made a big leap for Webb.
95.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:31 pmReply to this
Phil, I have your basic Zone Alarm freeby. I looked into some very hot shot firewalls (since Window's is dreck), and decided they gave me waaaaaaaaaaay too much information, lol!
96.linda bWed, 11/15/063:32 pmReply to this
Apparently it was the females in the younger generation who wouldn't.
females in va voted for webb over allen. they aren't so stupid to believe a quote from a book or article 30 years ago. hey I lived through that era and got over it. those women from the academy looked amazingly bad coming out at that time against webb.
really bad.
97.linda bWed, 11/15/063:37 pmReply to this
and a personal quote from that "era".
I was a filght attendant for a major airline. I took my daughter up to d.c for the day on the local commuter airline.
Just after boarding, the pilot came back into the cabin. I knew him from previous flights. He said hi and I introduced him to my daughter, Kim. He said "oh kim do you want to be a flight attendant when you grow up?
Kim said "no, I am going to be a pilot" . The guy looked shocked. Then walked away.
kim's been "spirited" like that ever since.
98.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:44 pmReply to this
LOL! Kim's mum musta been doing something right, all along. . . .
99.jc Wed, 11/15/063:47 pmReply to this
Yes, Kim's mother is taking back Virginia.
100.seashellWed, 11/15/063:47 pmReply to this
101.AnnilowWed, 11/15/063:48 pmReply to this
http://www.dailykos.com/KOS has 'leadership polls' up to vote on how Dem leaders are doing, inc. Howard and Rahm.
102.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:49 pmReply to this
If even a small percentage of the seeds Howard planted grow as fast and as strong as lindab, the rePublicans should just give up right now. . . .
103.mary vbWed, 11/15/063:49 pmReply to this
Do you approve of Howard Dean's leadership?Here's the poll from Kos.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/15...
104.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/063:50 pmReply to this
linda bWed, 11/15/063:07 pm
Linda. I dont know who you were addressing your post to...but I have ALL of Webb's books.
Everyone of them has his signature in them with soemthing to "me". Webb and I have met on several occassions. We are both members of the USNI and frequent attendees at the USNI conventions...and we have both spoken at USNI settings. (he on far more occassions then I of course).
I was pleased for so many reasons to see WEbb beat Allen. Not the least of the reasons was that it killed Allens' presidential hopes.
Robert
105.jc Wed, 11/15/063:51 pmReply to this
103.
I guess Carville is one of the 3 percenters. LOL
106.mary vbWed, 11/15/063:53 pmReply to this
Rahm isn't looking so golden over at Daily Kos. Nor is Gollum Carville.
107.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:54 pmReply to this
Do you approve of the Rahm Emanuel's job? Yes 530 votes - 43 % No
680 votes - 56 %
108.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:56 pmReply to this
I like to think my personal efforts make a 100 vote difference; it is clear linda, that you did many times that.
Tim might have topped you he worked on it so long, but not many others did.
109.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/063:56 pmReply to this
jc Wed, 11/15/063:21 pm
Apparently it was the females in the younger generation who wouldn't. ..
Webb and his statements on women in the USN in particular and at Canoe U in specific has made himself extremly unpopular with females in the USN/USMC and USCG.
It is hard for people outside the military to have a real clue how hard it has been for women in the military, parituclarly officers to push into the jobs which give them a good chance at promotion. The females in the youngest generation have not really seen that level of nonesense because Webb's earlier comments have simply become unsustainable in the USN...but there is enormous "legacy" value.
Most of the under 30 set of women in the sea services were mentored by women who did feel directly the lash of Webb's words and actions while SecNAV.
It is astonishing to me that the "fem libers" on the far left who are so "woman watch me roar" on every other issue roll over so quickly when it comes to supporting women in the military. These are women who actually are working for what they are getting.
Oh well
Robert
110.jc Wed, 11/15/063:58 pmReply to this
Even Chuckie Schumer has a better approval on that poll than Rahm Emanuel.
111.jc Wed, 11/15/064:00 pmReply to this
Robert,
It is hard for people outside the female gender to have a real clue how hard it has been for women. Period.
BTW, your comments in the past aren't advancing your supposed interest in women's issues.
112.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:02 pmReply to this
Re: Webb. I'm thrilled he won. That said, I chatted with a girlfriend the other day who is a retired JAG Colonel who wasn't so thrilled. She had two girlfriends work for him *years* ago who didn't/don't think too highly of him. Don't know any details.I like his populist message and I think he's come into the 21st century with regard to women. And he sure beats that idiot, Allen.
113.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:03 pmReply to this
The term fem libbers went out with shaboom btw.
114.jc Wed, 11/15/064:05 pmReply to this
115.puddle Wed, 11/15/064:07 pmReply to this
t is astonishing to me that the "fem libers" on the far left who are so "woman watch me roar" on every other issue roll over so quickly when it comes to supporting women in the military. These are women who actually are working for what they are getting.
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Once again, you manage to dis "fem libers" by implying that they haven't worked for what they are getting.
Please, please, please NEVER be on my side, lol!
116.jc Wed, 11/15/064:09 pmReply to this
"Please, please, please NEVER be on my side, lol!"
puddle,
If he ever is, it will only be because you're winning!
117.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:10 pmReply to this
116. LOL! The front runner.
118.Sitka Wed, 11/15/064:16 pmReply to this
109. Rocky Jones
You made a good point -- and then had to finish it with an ad hominem insult. Only a fool builds a bridge and then burns it.
You could be a valuable contributor here if you weren't ruled by hateful self-aggrandizement.
119.puddle Wed, 11/15/064:18 pmReply to this
Looks to me like having him on your side could drop you right out of the front runner spot, as he runs around insulting your supporters. . . . Maybe that's a new theory for Iowa, lol!
120._ FiReFoX!Wed, 11/15/064:24 pmReply to this
Well, you have to give his staff credit. After reading all the comments and diaries trashing him, he does a major attempt to kiss @sses of the grassroots.
121.Denise Wed, 11/15/064:24 pmReply to this
My Family Spaghetti Sauce - Yum!! (for the non-vegans among us)2 lbs meat of your choice; some suggestions include:Pork neck bones (quit laughing, they’re good!)Lamb shoulder, cubedPork ribsMeatballs (if you need directions, let me know)Ground chuckItalian SausageAny combo of the meat above will do, if you like variety.Seasonings¾ tsp thyme¾ tsp fennel seed2 Bay Leaves (dried)3 good clumps of fresh basil1 loose handful of parsley flakes3 tbls oregano3 big onions, chopped up fine6 cloves of garlic, minced1 good tbls salt1 tbls black pepper1 cup fresh ground Romano Cheese1 lg can tomato pasteTomatoesYou have a choice – you can use plum tomatoes and prepare them for your sauce base. To do this, bring them to a boil, cool, peel and mash them with a potato masher. If you don’t want seeds, remove them before mashing.Or, you can use 2 large cans of crushed Italian plum tomatoes (try to use imported from Italy)In a separate pot, bring neck bones to a boil. Let simmer for 3 minutes. DrainIn large saucepan, brown other meats in olive oil. Remove from pot and put on the side.Saute onions and garlic.Follow up with paste and tomatoes. Let paste and tomatoes fry a little. Then add 2 cans of water to help dissolve paste.Other items you can add are chopped green pepper, mushrooms, hot banana peppers and red wine. Saute the mushrooms and green pepper with the meat, if you decide to use them. Add the hot peppers as is, with seeds removed.Simmer on low 3-4 hours, tasting periodically for flavor. If too thin, add more water.
122.teatimetim NE OhioWed, 11/15/064:25 pmReply to this
94.
linda bWed, 11/15/063:29 pm
I have to say the volunteers were amazing. But the hardest thing is getting them all, and getting them on board.
I made well over 2000 volunteer calls. No one calls you back if you leave a message so you just keep calling back till you talk to them.
On election day we had 150 volunteers working 96 precincts. And we were able before that to get 24,000 get out the vote calls done in about 4 days.
Ad getting the lawn signs out, canvassing in the cold on Saturdays in snow, processing the voter files, calling people for money, going to every candidate forum in the known universe, the lit drops, and mini lit drops, and man alive it wears you out.
that all being said, I think our experience was similar to Shea's race but we lost. A lot of Dems did very well in Republican strong hold. Marian Haris got 45% of the vote in one of the most Republican District in Ohio.
My candidate Ray Ku, got 43% in the most republican county. Reps who ran in the last 5 races who were dems in this area got between 29% and 33.5% of the vote.
Best of all we know where the last 3500 votes we need can be had and will correct that in O8
Even better, we have an ever increasing volunteer race, and now the Republican party in this county is giving us a hand through a fracture.
You did Great Linda, and so many of you Did. And Phil, I'm sure worked his ass off too.
To all of you who worked, lets meet in NH and drink a few and tell war stories. I'm sure Sal will drink with us. :)
123.teatimetim NE OhioWed, 11/15/064:27 pmReply to this
jc Wed, 11/15/064:05 pm
That bumper sticker reminds me of Sargent Schafer. She was all of 5 foot, but love to cary the M60 on patrols.
124.Sitka Wed, 11/15/064:28 pmReply to this
Looks to me like having him on your side could drop you right out of the front runner spot, as he runs around insulting your supporters. . . .
"Hello! My name is Robert and I'm going door to door in this neighborhood to tell insignificant ignorami like you to get out and support (insert name). He's a flawed candidate who doesn't even begin to measure up to me as a wise expert and great leader, but he's good enough for the likes of you to vote for. Nameste Gong!"
125.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:29 pmReply to this
120. Wouldn't you rather he kiss arsses publicly than diss Dean publicly a la Rahm and Gollum?
126._ FiReFoX!Wed, 11/15/064:30 pmReply to this
114
Love it!
I have a framed picture of a volleyball player with a determined look ready to serve with the words:
<>You run like a girl
<>You hit like a girl
You throw like a girl
You serve 60 mph
(then in big letters)
IN THEIR FACE
LIKE A
GIRL
(don't know why I have spaces between every line, doesn't give m single space)
127.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:33 pmReply to this
run like a girl...my brothers taught me to play baseball when I was young but told me not to run like a girl. I said *but I am a girl!*Now when I play baseball with my sons and his buddies - they say *Mrs vb plays like a man*. I guess that's a compliment?
128.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:34 pmReply to this
I have one son. S/b son not sons.
129.Joan* In*FloridaWed, 11/15/064:38 pmReply to this
Speaking of Howard's birthday Friday and a DNC contribution, that is great. But did you know that only 35,000 contributors are signed up for Democracy Bonds, one of Howard's initiatives to raise money just like the bat did on Dean For America. I find that incredibly low, surely there are more than 35,000 Democrats among the millions who could afford a few bucks a month taken out of their credit cards. I've had mine since its inception and, since plastic is always painless for me (probably in too many ways) I find it easy and I never forget what Howard has done for America. Consider Democracy Bonds rather than one contribution, maybe in the amount of 20.08 each month. You can easily cancel it online if it becomes too burdensome.
130.puddle Wed, 11/15/064:39 pmReply to this
Ya. It's always a compliment when they say it. Never been able to figure that one out, lol!
131.Huron John Wed, 11/15/064:40 pmReply to this
A lot of troll-feeding going on.
132.jc Wed, 11/15/064:40 pmReply to this
119.
puddle,
I've supported that theory for some time.
133.Joan* In*FloridaWed, 11/15/064:40 pmReply to this
LOL Sitka, very funny.
134.jc Wed, 11/15/064:42 pmReply to this
When I was coaching a winning girls' team, the coach of the losing boys team used "You're playing like girls!" to insult his team. I told him, "You wish!"
135.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:44 pmReply to this
More on Gollum Carville's consultant con from Myddhttp://www.mydd.com/
136.Joan* In*FloridaWed, 11/15/064:45 pmReply to this
Denise, does that recipe come in a jar? It would take me a half day to put that stuff together. Does sound delicious though.
137.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:48 pmReply to this
Thanks for reminding me of Howard's bday, Joan. I'll send a donation to the DNC in his honor. Are you ending it with an .06 for his successes or are we doing .08 etc?
138.Denise Wed, 11/15/064:56 pmReply to this
Hi Joan - no jars in our house growing up. Italian sacralige!!It really does not take long to prep - just to cook, unless you make meatballs. About 20 minutes of prep and then just let it simmer until the meat is tender. ;)
139.jc Wed, 11/15/065:04 pmReply to this
I stand corrected.
Carville is one of the two percenters.
Do you approve of the way DNC Chairman Howard Dean is doing his job?
Yes97%
No2%
140.jc Wed, 11/15/065:05 pmReply to this
Sounds yummy, Denise!
141.jc Wed, 11/15/065:08 pmReply to this
"A lot of troll-feeding going on."
Oh, do they like spaghetti?
142.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:21 pmReply to this
About a year into the China gig, a bunch of us Americans were sitting around talking about the Murican food we missed the most: Pizza, tacos, spaghet, burritos, LOL! No one actually missed steak and hamburgers. I most missed tunafish sandwiches, which I guess ARE Murican. . . .
143.jc Wed, 11/15/065:29 pmReply to this
puddle,
In South Africa, as a kid, I missed fast food hamburgers and white sliced bread. (Now I don't like either.) We'd make our own pizza and hamburgers (those in restaurants were made of ground lamb). The bread over there was bought at a bakery, the heavy whole-grained stuff, which I love now. As a kid, I would have traded a lot for some Wonder Bread. LOL
144.mary vbWed, 11/15/065:29 pmReply to this
142. When we first moved to Italy I was amazed to find a Chinese restaurant there. Chinese wait-staff who only spoke Italian and the menu and food was served Italian-style. Prima, secondo, etc. I missed peanut butter the most!
145.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:35 pmReply to this
vb, peanute butter wasn't a problem in China, lots of it, and all kinds of other nut butters, too. Thankgiving was kinda tough though: the only turkeys were in the ZOO, lol! (And believe me, we thought about liberating one. . . . Then decided the headlines would look really bad. . . . )
jc, I made a big deal out of bread baking when my kids were little. To be told, they couldn't even trade their sandwiches at lunch, would I please buy Wonderbread®?
146.jc Wed, 11/15/065:38 pmReply to this
vb,
I ate pizza in London. LOL
147.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:39 pmReply to this
Last week brought the victory we all fought so hard for, and I know that we all want to take a deep breath and relish the fruits of our labor. But we can't do that just yet because there are still some candidates fighting it out. There are recounts for House races still going on in battleground states like Ohio and Florida and we are right in the thick of them. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) has already dispatched the best legal teams, our brightest organizers and our most tenacious recount specialists to help our candidates in these states where, too often, voters have been denied their rights. It was Democratic unity and tenacity that put us in the majority and we owe it to our candidates to stay in the fight until the end. They can still win if we stand with them -- just last night, Democrat Joe Courtney locked up his victory in Connecticut's second Congressional District - and our new progressive majority led by Nancy Pelosi will be even stronger. We all gave everything we had to winning on November 7th, but we cannot stop until every vote is counted. I know you have already done so much this election cycle, but I am hoping that you can help support all our efforts in these critical days. Leave No Voter Behind: Fund the Recount Effort We at the DCCC spent every penny we had to win a Democratic majority in the House on Election Day. But there are still more seats to be won -- and more votes to be counted. I know that we are all winded, exhausted, and elated after what had to be the fiercest mid-term election in history. But please allow us to give every candidate the help they need to make sure every vote is counted. Onward, Rahm EmanuelChairman, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
148.jc Wed, 11/15/065:39 pmReply to this
My sister was in Argentina recently and amazed to find no sour cream, or even anyone who had a clue what it was or what to do with it.
149.jc Wed, 11/15/065:40 pmReply to this
Maybe Rahm should ask Kerry for his recount fund.
150.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:40 pmReply to this
Rahm is trying to help his poll numbers.
151.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:42 pmReply to this
Kerry won't be needing it, he was the only casualty of the election.
152.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:43 pmReply to this
Or visit the Museum of Vintage Fashion and see everything from a 1907 mourning coat to dolls made from slices of Wonderbread soaked in glue. So if you’ve “been there, done that” one too many times, get off the main road and venture Off the Beaten Path.
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the only thing I ever found Wonderbread good for. 1 part white bread with crusts removed 1 part white glue food coloring (optional) I usually find that for 2 slices of wonderbread, I need about 1/4 of a normal sized bottle of Elmer's. Crumble bread into small bits. Add glue. If too dry or sticky, add a few drops of water. Weather really effects this stuff so the recipe will have to be adjusted slightly for humidity. Add food coloring if you want. (I make Christmas dove ornaments with this without food coloring.) To use, mold just like clay. Don't crumble it though. I like to roll it out flat about the width of a #2 pencil and cut out shapes for Christmas tree ornaments for friends. After shaping let dry. Thin pieces obviously take less time. I let them dry at least an hour. For bigger pieces, I might leave them for a few hours to be certain. Finish the items by either spraying with hairspray, or painting with clear nailpolish or high gloss varnish. Don't forget if you make tree ornaments to leave a hole in the top where ribbon can be run through.
153.jc Wed, 11/15/065:43 pmReply to this
"Leave No Voter Behind"
hmmm, the title sounds like one Rove did once upon a time...
154.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:45 pmReply to this
I took the kids to Montreal once (when I worked for Amtrak), we had only an afternoon before the return train, so we hit the closest attraction: Chinatown. The fortune cookies were in French, lol!
155.Jo*in*Vermont Wed, 11/15/065:45 pmReply to this
hi all you good progressive peoples!! this is just a drive-by to post this from yesterday. my thanks to Mr. Moore - well done! sorry if a repost, haven't had any time to read the back threads. ************************************
A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
November 14th, 2006
To My Conservative Brothers and Sisters,
I know you are dismayed and disheartened at the results of last week's election. You're worried that the country is heading toward a very bad place you don't want it to go. Your 12-year Republican Revolution has ended with so much yet to do, so many promises left unfulfilled. You are in a funk, and I understand.
Well, cheer up, my friends! Do not despair. I have good news for you. I, and the millions of others who are now in charge with our Democratic Congress, have a pledge we would like to make to you, a list of promises that we offer you because we value you as our fellow Americans. You deserve to know what we plan to do with our newfound power -- and, to be specific, what we will do to you and for you.
Thus, here is our Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives:
Dear Conservatives and Republicans,
I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it for you.
4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.
5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too, breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.
9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the world.
Signed,
Michael Moore
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156.Jo*in*Vermont Wed, 11/15/065:50 pmReply to this
ahh, how I love your stories of world travels and food!
157.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:51 pmReply to this
BTW I think it is the Party not the candidate that should pay for any recount, and Howard can chip in for Mary Jo too. Rahm is doing the right thing and he should take out a loan if he is broke.
158.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:56 pmReply to this
You would have to think all of those K street types are pouring money into the Democrats thinking we will cut midnight deals too in conference.
let them (and then cut them off at the knees)
159.jc Wed, 11/15/065:57 pmReply to this
157.
I'd feel better if any recount funds got funneled through Howard. I'd still like to know what Kerry did with the money he collected for the recount he never did.
160.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/066:03 pmReply to this
I just want one more race to flip so I win the pool. lol
Kerry forfeited any chance of being the nominee again when he did not fight in Ohio. Blackwell was worse than Harris.
161.linda bWed, 11/15/066:08 pmReply to this
122.teatimetim NE OhioWed, 11/15/064:25 pmReply to this
94.
linda bWed, 11/15/063:29 pm
I have to say the volunteers were amazing. But the hardest thing is getting them all, and getting
no, tim and phil , u are my heroes and mentors. i just did what I needed to do. you are the best. always have. always will.
162.seashellWed, 11/15/066:10 pmReply to this
New thread and I got firsties, typing so fast it doesn't make a lot of sense. :-)
163.puddle Wed, 11/15/066:11 pmReply to this
New thread
164.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/066:18 pmReply to this
We have a battle shaping up for State Party Chair and it is a job that requires neutrality.
I have a favorite that is very grassroots oriented but it will be hard to best Sally Petersen's record.
It is a tough job in a Presidential cycle here.If we don't change any of the rules it will be easier.
It will make the Christmas party more interesting to watch the maneurvering.
Tom Harkin is up and I'll probably go with his choice since we see things from the same point of view politically.
165.Mz*LittleWed, 11/15/066:32 pmReply to this
To be told, they couldn't even trade their sandwiches at lunch, would I please buy Wonderbread
Puddle, I made "pumpkin bread" for my kids lunches. basically white bread with pumpkin as the moisture provider. Makes the bread a wonderful golden color and it made the best cheese and baloney sandwiches. kids always wanted to trade my kids, but no go!
166.The Honorable Jessica FalkerWed, 11/15/066:34 pmReply to this
129. JoanI think 35,000 monthly contributors is pretty good. If each one is contributing just $10/mnth that's $350,000/mnth being taken in.If the average monthly contribution is $50, thats $1.75 million per month coming in every month, with no additional fundraising efforts needed!
167.Jack PoloWed, 11/15/066:40 pmReply to this
I have my old computer back with an upgrade to IE 7 on XP and it is running fine.
I haven't had an Apple since my IIE so I don't have a clue about Safari but I have switched back and forth from Netscape and Mozilla
http://www.ppyj.info
Iowa's Voter Activation Network software is great. We updated daily and turned out 82% of the Dems. 72% was all we did for Kerry which is good, but the troops were fired up this cycle.
the linda b like efforts were the difference nationwide but her heroic effort may have been the actual difference
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The Fifth District of Kentucky was a dark place for national Democrats, a district that was in the 17th reddest state, by one account. I was the Fifth District of Kentucky for the U.S. House Democratic standard-bearer for the 2006 general election. My opponent was the Republican incumbent Hal Rogers, subcommittee chairman for House Appropriations for Homeland Security. He outspent me on the campaign 500 to one; he spent about $1.5 million to my $2,000.
I asked an anti-war supporter of mine, after the election, if he thought the paucity of financial support was because of something bad about my background, and he said that that was not the reason. I believe that, before I even started, the financial people thought the Democratic cause for taking Hal Rogers' Congressional seat was hopeless, so they decided not to participate. It was like a self-fulfilling prophesy--they all predict Hal Rogers will win, so he gets all the contribution money and his opponent gets none, and he wins.
Both parties had dismal national Congressional campaign strategies. The Republican Party had the Maginot Line strategy of sinking millions into incumbents' campaigns with no plans for backing challenger campaigns. That was a strategy guaranteed to lose in the long run, because, at best it results in breaking even, and at worst, it can result in a loss of seats if faced with strong challenger campaigns.
The Democratic Party had the modified Maginot Line strategy of sinking millions of dollars into incumbents' campaigns, and also sinking millions of dollars into approximately thirty "best-shot" challenger campaigns. That left about a hundred Democratic Congressional campaigns on their own. The Democrats had a bad strategy, but we won control of the House because the Republican strategy was even worse.
We Democrats won most of the "best shot" campaigns and a few long shot campaigns. We cannot count on the Republican Party continuing to follow the election strategy that led to the 2006 disaster for them. We cannot expect that the Republican Party will provide millions of dollars of campaign funds to their remaining House Minority members, but nothing to challenger campaigns--such a strategy guarantees the Republicans will be a permanent minority party. The Democratic Party can win more seats in Congress if it stays out of the primaries, and follows a 400 seat election strategy. It should guarantee each candidate at least a $20,000 campaign fund.
Since I only spent four cents for each vote received, I believe that would have gotten me an additional 80,000 votes and hence the election. My opponent spent over ten dollars per vote received. The Republicans can't keep up at that ratio--we'll wear them down.
I campaigned all over the Kentucky Fifth District. When the campaign started, I figured my main strength was the Democratic Party. I carried, and got sixty per cent of the vote in the Fifth District votes in Bath County--a Democratic stronghold. I got my largest number of votes in Pike County--another Democratic stronghold. I took a beating in the county where I live, and the county where I work--both Republican strongholds. I was told that internal polls showed 90% of the voters agreed with me that we should get out of Iraq, 90% that we should stop wireless wiretaps, 90% that we should stop torture, and 100% that we should not cut federal aid to education--all issues where my Republican opponent and I disagreed.
The Democratic Party stopped its long downhill slide in the South. We won 272 new Democratic state legislators by ousting Republicans nationwide. The Democrats had been steadily losing state legislators in the South since approx. 1980, but that stopped this year and we actually gained state legislators in the South and in the rest of the country. In the Fifth District of Kentucky, net Democratic gains have been made in the Kentucky House of Representatives, and in county offices, also. The long downhill slide of the Democratic Party in the Kentucky Fifth District has ended. I received more votes than the most recent previous Democratic candidate in the Fifth District had received--so the Democratic Party in the Fifth District is on the comeback trail.
The biggest problem is getting the registered Democrats to show up at the polls and to vote for Democratic candidates. A majority of the Kentucky Fifth District's registered voters are registered Democratic voters. In the last several Congressional elections, substantial numbers of Democrats have crossed over and voted for the Republican. In order the win more elections, the Democratic Party in Kentucky needs to work together and act more like a Party, and to get over the "every man for himself" attitude.
Since the time of the Kentucky Resolutions against the Alien and Sedition Act in the 1790's Kentucky has been a hotbed of Democratic principles. Kentucky entered the 2006 elections with seven Republican members of Congress and one Democratic member of Congress. In the 2006 elections, Kentucky doubled our number of Demcratic representatives in Congress--giving us two Democratic representatives. Unless the Republicans cancel their support of the continued military occupation of Iraq, their support of torture, their support of warrantless wiretaps, and their support for cutting the Federal educational budget, the Republican party will continue its decline in numbers and influence in the Federal government--and in the State governments and county and local governments as well.
I plan to be a "shadow Congressman". I plan to maintain my blogspot on the internet, and continue to publish our Republican Congressman's voting record, and how I would have voted. Britain has a "shadow cabinet" of its opposition party leaders, and America should have "shadow Congressmen" tracking the voting records of the incumbent Republican Congressmen, and alerting and educating the public concerning what policies the Republicans support, and which policies the Democrats support.
Many Americans are under the mistaken impression that there is no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and they blindly vote to re-elect incumbents for that reason. With a proper voter education project, the Democratic Party should retake the Governor's mansion and the State Senate in Kentucky in the next two years, the same as the Democratic Party, with DFA help, retook New Hampshire this year.
Location: Barbourville, KY 40906
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1.Lynn WorpenbergWed, 11/15/061:05 pmReply to this
The Deans are first (and Howard's Birthday is only 2 days away, don't forget to make a DNC contribution in honor of our hero).
2.Lynn WorpenbergWed, 11/15/061:06 pmReply to this
And thanks to Kenneth for not running and for continuing his fight!
3.seashellWed, 11/15/061:17 pmReply to this
How come no one shouts NEW THREAD anymore? Off to look at new computers. :-) :-)
4.Sitka Wed, 11/15/061:19 pmReply to this
Many Americans are under the mistaken impression that there is no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party
Unfortunately, in the past it's been too many Democrats who have been intentionally fostering that impression. Maybe winning an election will help them be proud Democrats.
5.ChrisNYC Wed, 11/15/061:21 pmReply to this
Thanks for the Howard Bday reminder Lynn!
OT-- great post-- finance reform is needed!!!!
SUBWAY--
saw you were on the last thread. Hope yo are well. it was great seeing you at Edwins memorial--sorry you left before we though of taking the photos!
6._ FiReFoX!Wed, 11/15/061:30 pmReply to this
6th
7.Subway SerenadeWed, 11/15/061:31 pmReply to this
ChrisNYC Wed, 11/15/061:21 pm
It was wonderful seeing everybody, and coming together to remember a good friend. I don't mind about the pictures, I got the hugs.
8.Indy SteveWed, 11/15/061:33 pmReply to this
Click for fascinating account behind the scenes in the Lamont campaign. This snippet is telling....
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4641
Barack ObamaQuite possibly the biggest disappointment ... period.
While on his book tour, he was in NYC one day, had a scheduled day off, and appeared in Massachusetts the following day. Yet he couldn't make time to stop in the state between the two on his day off. We made it explicitly clear he was the single senator we wanted in the state above all others.
He declined.
Eventually, we asked Senator Obama to send out an email for the campaign to his Connecticut list. We created a culture in which emails became news (much like we did with the blogs in the primary). They made it entirely clear that he would basically not even mention Joe Lieberman's name in the email, let alone take him to task for his unfortunate position on the war in Iraq. This was disappointing, but I wasn't going to be spiteful. They sent the email, and as I hoped, the press came calling. Our Press Secretary, Eddie Vale, was asked how many people the email went to. He looked on the back-end of the website and saw the number of click-throughs to the landing page I created. He answered "about 5,000." Within minutes of the Associated Press piece going on the wire, I received several phone calls from Obama staff. They were none to pleased about the 5,000 number. Essentially, Obama could be seen as helping, but not helping THAT much. His staff apparently made it clear that the email only went out to 225 people in Connecticut. That's it. The next day we were subject to a correction in the papers and ridicule from Lieberman's campaign and corners of the right-wing blogosphere.
It's also important to note that Obama's email came only after a tremendous amount of pressure built up from portions of various online communities who "threatened" in behind-the-scenes conversations and open discussions online that support for Lamont would be viewed as a part of a "presidential checklist."
Everyone should also know that Robert Gibbs, part of the group that ran the infamous Dean/Osama ad during Iowa 2004, is now Barack Obama's Communications Director.
9.linda bWed, 11/15/061:36 pmReply to this
obama has shown himself to be an opportunist in line with hillary. where oh where are the true progressives??
10.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:37 pmReply to this
TeaTime ~~ from Denise, at 208.
204, whoever you are - I sure hope you didn't lift that from the Wall Street Journal without permission. You didn't provide a source link either. Careful there buddy. Dow Jones Inc doesn't take stuff like that lightly.
11.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/061:37 pmReply to this
Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/0612:25 pmPhil SpechtWed, 11/15/0612:25 pm
I guess I don't know how the military works, ...........................
Finally an accurate statement on your part. Seesh it took you forever to come to this conclusion. You have no knowledge of the role of the military in The Republic or the role of its officer corps.
"I thought there had been an acceptance of the Powell Doctrine. "
A lot of acceptance which lasted right up until the civilian leadership said "We dont embrace the Powell Doctrine" then it was out the window.
The uniformed military takes orders from the Commander in Chief who is elected through his officials which are confirmed by the Senate.
Those officials can be wonderful smart people like Cohen or Cap the Knife or they can be idiots like Greggie.
Cohen, Cap etc listened to the uniformed military about what it would take to accomplish missions. Greggie and Donnie and Dickie are like you. They are their own experts and they know more then any of the "uninformed" uniformed people.
You, Fred, cC, and others should think about that the next time you talk about what a "cakewalk" Darfur would be.
Robert
12.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:39 pmReply to this
Hey, Christy! Was thinking about the World's Greatest Scrabble Game last night. . . . Wishin' I was there. . . xox
13.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:39 pmReply to this
Carville is upping his anti-Dean rhetoric. Guess he didn't get my email. ;-)http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-...Can't James just head off into the sunset with Bill, Hill & rahm? Sheesh.
14.Monica SmithWed, 11/15/061:40 pmReply to this
Well, it seems pretty clear that $2000 isn't enough to get a seat in Congress. It won't even buy enough stamps to send out postcards.On the other hand, what can you say about a man who spends $1.5 million to campaign as an incumbent?Not that he's frugal. Not that he knows the value of a dollar. Not that he's someone you want to trust with your money. That he's in the clutches on consultants who take him for all he's worth? That he's buying good publicity in the press? That he's got a lot of friends who expect favors? We have got to make spending an inordinate amount of money to get elected to public office a negative.
15.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/061:40 pmReply to this
Indy SteveWed, 11/15/061:33 pm
when you understand this you will understand why the far left of the party has ZERO real power.
No organied force, no discipline, no courage to get together to form consensus.
The JR Senator from IL knows this and that is why he didnt care to help Lamont. He also knew that Lamont was going to suffer the fate of the blogosphere...lose
Robert
16.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:44 pmReply to this
seashell, Lynn did 88. last thread. Two minutes after she got firsties! If only everyone would do so well. . . .
17.jc Wed, 11/15/061:44 pmReply to this
vb,
Don't worry. The same people who had the votes to get Dean in as DNC Chair are probably even more pleased with Dean than they were back then. Carville is just trying to get some attention, and the best way to get covered by the media is by using the name "Dean."
18.Subway SerenadeWed, 11/15/061:47 pmReply to this
Fate of the Blogsphere:
Tester
Webb
McCaskill
21 House races to Rahm's 8
I'm good wit dat.
19.jc Wed, 11/15/061:47 pmReply to this
20.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
No doubt, jc. But he's on CNN spouting off his mouth. He needs to STFU - and I don't swear. LOL!!!!He must be losing some money. Oh, and the Labour Party in the UK didn't want him.I need to add Robert Novak to that sunset list.
21.jc Wed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
Hey, Subway. Thanks for the feature spot. :-)
22.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
Somehow, it doesn't make me rest easier at night to know we have an armed, multi-billion dollar military that takes order from any potential idiot who happens to get elected.
I thought that "I wuz jist follering orders" thang went out with WWII. My error.
23.I Need A NameWed, 11/15/061:50 pmReply to this
Obama/Feingold 08
24.Michael EllisWed, 11/15/061:51 pmReply to this
Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/0612:25 pm
I guess I don't know how the military works, ...........................
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Phil,
Im not sure even they do........................from videos ive watched.
25.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:51 pmReply to this
This is a goody from Glenn Greenwald. Rise of the Libertarian Mountain West.http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/200...I'm seeing more *librul* stickers 'round these parts. Still far too many *W* lovers though.
26.jc Wed, 11/15/061:51 pmReply to this
Monica,
Look at how much Hillary spent to secure her relatively "safe" seat.
27.jc Wed, 11/15/061:53 pmReply to this
That's assuming that the military DOES work. Not perfectly, that's for sure.
28.mary vbWed, 11/15/061:54 pmReply to this
jc, I would argue that Hill's seat wasn't even relatively safe but positively safe. She could have run against a fence post and won.
29.Michael EllisWed, 11/15/061:57 pmReply to this
I hate to say it, but the Captain looks like Charlie Graspski.
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TT,
I swear that was tennille in the courtroom too! here they both are! Long live the 70s!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XIsc5TilQo&mode=related&search=
30.puddle Wed, 11/15/061:57 pmReply to this
I'm good wit dat.
Oh, yes! Me, too!!
31.*** cChalfonte***Wed, 11/15/061:58 pmReply to this
Breaking:
General Abizaid Smacks Down McCain’s Plan To Send More U.S. Troops To IraqToday at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, CentCom commander Gen. John Abizaid rejected McCain’s calls for increased U.S. troop levels in Iraq, saying that he “met with every divisional commander, Gen. Casey, the core commander, Gen. Dempsey” and asked them if bringing “in more American troops now, [would] add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq and they all said ‘no.’”McCain has repeatedly said that he would like to see another 20,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. As General Abizaid explained, McCain’s plan runs counter towards our goal in Iraq — specifically, the Iraqis taking responsibility for their own country. Abizaid said, “It is easy for the Iraqis to rely upon to us do this work. I believe that more American forces prevent the Iraqis from doing more, from taking more responsibility for their own future.”Moreover, we do not have the troops to send. Any attempt to send more troops to Iraq would, “at the moment, threaten to break our nation’s all-volunteer Army and undermine our national security.” MCCAIN: Did you note that General Zinny who opposed of the invasion now thinks that we should have more troops? Did you notice that General Batise, who was opposed to the conduct of this conflict also says that we may need tens and thousands of additional troops. I don’t understand General. When you have a part of Iraq that is not under our control and yet we still — as Al Anbar province is — I don’t know how many American lives have been sacrificed in Al Anbar province — but we still have enough and we will rely on the ability to train the Iraqi military when the Iraqi army hasn’t send the requested number of battalions into Baghdad. ABIZAID: Senator McCain, I met with every divisional commander, General Casey, the core commander, General Dempsey, we all talked together. And I said, in your professional opinion, if we were to bring in more American Troops now, does it add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq? And they all said no. And the reason is because we want the Iraqis to do more. It is easy for the Iraqis to rely upon to us do this work. I believe that more American forces prevent the Iraqis from doing more, from taking more responsibility for their own future.
[ok, gotta run or I'll be late]
32.jc Wed, 11/15/062:03 pmReply to this
There's actually a rather obvious solution to keeping troops in Iraq. The current volunteer military can go to missions more vital to America's interests, and a new "special" force can take over the Iraq "mission not yet accomplished."
33.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:04 pmReply to this
*** cChalfonte***Wed, 11/15/061:58 pm
perception is everything if anything McNasty I thought was well pointed in his comments.
More troops are going into Iraq...Even the good General is saying that.
Robert
34.puddle Wed, 11/15/062:06 pmReply to this
Moreover, we do not have the troops to send.
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Wait! I'm *certain* someone said we have 300,000 snake killers ready to go. . . .
35.formerWed, 11/15/062:06 pmReply to this
15.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/061:40 pmwhen you understand this you will understand why the far left of the party has ZERO real power. No organied force, no discipline, no courage to get together to form consensus........Robert----------...lol, hear..., hear...: "no courage to get together to form consensus"...with the...far right of the party...to get to the MIDDLE...(e.g. NOWHERE)...
36.jc Wed, 11/15/062:07 pmReply to this
I guess Rocky forgot to tell Abizaid where all those "snake-eaters" are. I suspect they're sitting in front of computer screens, blogging.
37.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:08 pmReply to this
puddle Wed, 11/15/061:48 pmReply to this
Somehow, it doesn't make me rest easier at night to know we have an armed, multi-billion dollar military that takes order from any potential idiot who happens to get elected...
Well your argument is with The Constitution, the Founders who wrote it, the people who ratified it, and the American people who elect those leaders.
The Soverign get to elect anyone who can reach a consensus among them to WIN.
Robert
38.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:09 pmReply to this
jc Wed, 11/15/062:07 pmReply to this
I guess Rocky forgot to tell Abizaid where all those "snake-eaters" are..
he knows where they are.
Robert
39.Michael EllisWed, 11/15/062:10 pmReply to this
There's actually a rather obvious solution to keeping troops in Iraq. The current volunteer military can go to missions more vital to America's interests, and a new "special" force can take over the Iraq "mission not yet accomplished."
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Ok, we send in 20k more troops............according to my Chinese friends over in Computer Science Department they calculate that since we have most likely killed upwrds of 50-100k Iraqis on our own, lets just say that each of those dead had at least 1 family memeber totally pissed off with the US, so that still leaves us outmanned by 100-200k, at LEAST...............
The Iraqis can safely loose 10 men for every one of ours..................and more are on the way too............
40.jc Wed, 11/15/062:10 pmReply to this
he knows where they are.
Robert
Blogging?
41.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:10 pmReply to this
formerWed, 11/15/062:06 pm
...lol, hear..., hear...: "no courage to get together to form consensus"...with the...far right of the party...to get to the MIDDLE...(e.g. NOWHERE).....
so stand for something that cannot win elections ever.
Whats the point?
Robert
42.jc Wed, 11/15/062:11 pmReply to this
39.
Mike,
The only problem with my plan is that fewer and fewer people will actually admit to having voted for Bush.
43.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:14 pmReply to this
Kay is number 4 in the GOP Senate...and Cornyn is her second....
That is great for the state of Texas and is indicative of two semi back benchers who are moving to the front bench...
Robert
44.puddle Wed, 11/15/062:14 pmReply to this
Notice when the Dems stop focussing on "we gotta win win win" and start focussing on "this is wrong wrong wrong" that they win win win. . . . . Rahm, on the other hadn't didn't, and didn't do all that well, despite biggol globs of bucks. . . .
45.Denise Wed, 11/15/062:27 pmReply to this
Hi everyone!Cheryl thanks for the nice birthday wishes on the previous thread - much appreciated. Still deciding if I'm getting out of bed tomorrow.Puddle, thanks for letting us know that they took out the interloper's post this morning - way to go BFA.
46.Denise Wed, 11/15/062:28 pmReply to this
Oh and go Kentucky!!!!
47.formerWed, 11/15/062:30 pmReply to this
41.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:10 pmso stand for something that cannot win elections ever.Whats the point?Robert-------a) elections were won;b) we have experienced "something that can..." all 8 years under the Clinton and came...nowhere (even worse..., we came to the Bush&Co.)....c) that's why we are "changing course".d) and that's the point.
48.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:33 pmReply to this
formerWed, 11/15/062:30 pmReply to this
I think you are going to find that there is less 'course change" then you anticipate...and I am quite happy with the likes of Casey et al winning in the Senate.
I have more incommon with Webb's views on the war then Webb's views have with say the far left.
Robert
49.mary vbWed, 11/15/062:35 pmReply to this
Brian Ross of ABC News is reporting that Abramoff is implicating Reid. Firefox mentioned Reid yesterday.If this is true - why the heck was Reid given the Majority Leader spot?Any whiff of corruption and these people should resign. http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006...
50.jc Wed, 11/15/062:38 pmReply to this
puddle,
Just think what Howard might have accomplished with the big bucks wasted by Rahm, Hillary, et al.
51.Sitka Wed, 11/15/062:39 pmReply to this
13. mary vb
Gollum wants the Ring of Power Back:
"The Precious is MINE! The Dean STOLE it ,and we WANTS IT BACK!"
52.formerWed, 11/15/062:39 pmReply to this
48.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:33 pmI think you are going to find that there is less 'course change" then you anticipate...------------Sure, it's going to be tough...and slow, but it'll be moving... and even gradually accelerate... Stay on the train..., will finally win..., lol.
53.mary vbWed, 11/15/062:40 pmReply to this
Sitka - You need to add Cruella and Mary side by side. LOL.Whatta lovely couple they make.
54.linda bWed, 11/15/062:42 pmReply to this
about reid and abramoff. reid received CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM SOME CLIENTS OF ABRAMOFF.
HE
55.linda bWed, 11/15/062:43 pmReply to this
HE DID NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ABRAMOFF.
this is pure rove crap. don't believe the man behind the curtain.
56.Stat ManWed, 11/15/062:43 pmReply to this
If this is true - why the heck was Reid given the Majority Leader spot?Any whiff of corruption and these people should resign.
- - - - -
This potential event with Reid will put the nail in Murtha's coffin and provide Hoyer the number two position.
57.linda bWed, 11/15/062:45 pmReply to this
I have more incommon with Webb's views on the war then Webb's views have with say the far left.
Robert
wtf??????????
your are so bipolar. but you knew that. give it a rest. and get some fresh air, the fumes are working.
58.mary vbWed, 11/15/062:45 pmReply to this
So, it's Rovian if it's for a Dem but factual if for a Republican?Let's see the facts - but if Abramoff is talking - I want to hear the facts.
59.jc Wed, 11/15/062:45 pmReply to this
The interesting thing will be whether this is new news about Abramoff implicating Reid or old recycled news about the last time Abramoff implicated Reid.
60.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:47 pmReply to this
mary vbWed, 11/15/062:35 pm
If this is true - why the heck was Reid given the Majority Leader spot?...
Because in this country people are innocent until proven guilty.
Should it be any other way?
Robert
61.Sitka Wed, 11/15/062:48 pmReply to this
Brian Ross of ABC News is reporting that Abramoff is implicating Reid.
The GOP and corporate media tried linking Reid to Dishonest Abe long ago and failed. This could be more of the same. In a political world dominated by Republican smears, I'll give just about any Democrat the benefit of doubt.
62.jc Wed, 11/15/062:49 pmReply to this
I seem to recall the last time Reid was implicated by Abramoff, it was because he received contributions from Indian tribes, some of whom were represented by Abramoff. Being a Democrat in Nevada, it would be unusual not to have supporters from Indian tribes. But, we'll see. If ol' Harry is shown to be corrupt, too, then show him the door.
63.rich^kolker Wed, 11/15/062:50 pmReply to this
Re: Reid and Abramoff
We should wait to hear more than accusations from Abramoff before we throw Reid under the bus
We should not be surprised if Democrats were involved with Abramoff. Corruption in DC goes beyond one party, and as somone once said, "what is frightening isn't what they do that's illegal, it's what they do that's legal"
This is why we need to see more than a D next to their name, and more than a progressive position on one or more issues, we need to look in depth at those we support. Unfortunately, with the current system,few politicians can stand up to that scrutiny.
64.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:50 pmReply to this
linda bWed, 11/15/062:45 pm
James WEbb is against 1) cutting and running 2) an immediate time table...3) he talks about a two year event period...
He is not all that far from my views on the war. I dont like his sexist comments, but I AM SO HAPPY HE BEAT ALLEN.
In so many ways.
Robert
65.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/062:53 pmReply to this
Sitka Wed, 11/15/062:48 pm
I'll give just about any Democrat the benefit of doubt. ..
so you are the party not the person guy? IE you dont care about the facts, just if a D is charged doubt is ok but if a R is charged well it is horrible and that person must go?
OK
Robert
66.jc Wed, 11/15/062:54 pmReply to this
67.formerWed, 11/15/062:57 pmReply to this
66.jc Wed, 11/15/062:54 pm------...lol.
68.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:00 pmReply to this
Pretty soon Robert will be claiming he supported Webb.
69.jc Wed, 11/15/063:02 pmReply to this
Remember Miles' version (now posting as Malacandra over at Kos)
70.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:02 pmReply to this
Jeez, are we back to this? Plenty of Abromoff's clients gave money, before, during, and after him, to all kinds of people.
71.seashellWed, 11/15/063:04 pmReply to this
im at the apple store trying out his new computer.!!!!!
72.Stat ManWed, 11/15/063:04 pmReply to this
Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:00 pm
If you go check old posts, he did support Webb. He was unsure of his ability to knocl off Allen though.
73.jc Wed, 11/15/063:05 pmReply to this
68.
Phil,
Members of his family did. LOL
74.formerWed, 11/15/063:05 pmReply to this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15726310/fro......Updated: 10:57 a.m. ET Nov 15, 2006BAGHDAD, Iraq - Three U.S. soldiers and three U.S. Marines were killed during combat in Iraq, the military said Wednesday....
75.jc Wed, 11/15/063:05 pmReply to this
Stat Man,
Nope. He said some of the younger generation did.
76.jc Wed, 11/15/063:06 pmReply to this
Yay, seashell! :-)
77.seashellWed, 11/15/063:07 pmReply to this
but where'a the nifty tool bar...im on safari
78.linda bWed, 11/15/063:07 pmReply to this
hmm, the troll is doing an about face ofnwebb and says he made sexist remarks.
hmm this from a guy that has a thing for women's apparel and certain woman tv stars. makes "sexist" comments on these same women. has he read webb's books? I doubt it. but loves the recycled crap from the allen campaign.
webb doesn't need your support, the campaign is over. so get over it.
we won and you are the loser.
79.formerWed, 11/15/063:08 pmReply to this
72.Stat ManWed, 11/15/063:04 pmReply to thisPhil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:00 pmIf you go check old posts, he did support Webb. He was unsure of his ability to knocl off Allen though.---------------That's what the "art of been on the middle" is all about..., to support both...and the win guaranteed..., lol
80.linda bWed, 11/15/063:10 pmReply to this
If you go check old posts, he did support Webb. He was unsure of his ability to knocl off Allen though
he supported webb how????????????///
send money?
work the polls?
be positive and supportive?
no to all of the about from the troll.
he was unsure of webbs abiltiy cause he was a allen talking point person.
as I said the election is over, he did nothing but rant so get over it.
81.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:10 pmReply to this
seashell, for a long time safari didn't get a tool bar at blogger, either. Check your settings to make sure you're on RICH TEXT. . . .
82.Sitka Wed, 11/15/063:11 pmReply to this
65. IRocky Jones
Putting words into other people's mouths is the only way you can win a debate.
83.seashellWed, 11/15/063:18 pmReply to this
hat settings? im on a stragne bc]]computer in a srange store. haven't a clue everything's strange and new even the keyboaad.
84.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:20 pmReply to this
seashell
I have my old computer back with an upgrade to IE 7 on XP and it is running fine.
I haven't had an Apple since my IIE so I don't have a clue about Safari but I have switched back and forth from Netscape and Mozilla
Iowa's Voter Activation Network software is great. We updated daily and turned out 82% of the Dems. 72% was all we did for Kerry which is good, but the troops were fired up this cycle.
the linda b like efforts were the difference nationwide but her heroic effort may have been the actual difference
85.jc Wed, 11/15/063:21 pmReply to this
I'll correct myself now, based on a rant I just found through Google.
After a long rant pointing out all of Webb's faults, Rocky did say he would vote for him if he was a Virginia voter. (empty gesture, though it might be)
Apparently it was the females in the younger generation who wouldn't.
86.seashellWed, 11/15/063:22 pmReply to this
wow wow i can make the text larger from the computer
87.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:24 pmReply to this
Upper right hand side, under Hello! seashell, is a list. One of them is settings. You can choose plain text (no toolbar) or rich text (usually has a toolbar). . . . Take deep breaths ~~ they're not pushing you: they WANT to sell you a new computer, lol!
88.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:25 pmReply to this
I have one browser at boot up another when I click the google home page and a third on a flash drive that I don't open til desparate.
someone would have fun tracking all my cookies down
89.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:25 pmReply to this
seashell, isn't that aA feature wonderful? One of the things I loved most about the mac. You can do it too from firefox (control + scroll up or down).
90.jc Wed, 11/15/063:27 pmReply to this
seashell is going to be unstoppable with a new computer! LOL
91.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
seashell will also knock herself in the head for not doing it a LOT earlier, lol!
92.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
(forgive the spelling ) I have another machine and I can crank the security way up or down
thanks to Luigi and these exposed problems I can see why a lowest common denominator is needed to reach the most people
93.jc Wed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
88.
Phil,
Did someone say cookies?
94.linda bWed, 11/15/063:29 pmReply to this
the linda b like efforts were the difference nationwide but her heroic effort may have been the actual difference
gee whilakers, thanks, that is quite a compliment from somone like you phil. hope your son is doing well in college.
the only true way to get people out to vote is to have the locals do the work. while people appreciate the dnc and webb people being there for "material" support, it is the local people on the ground that made the difference here in va.
I had 42 precincts to fill. I found people to man them and when they said "where are my helpers?" I gave them a list of "strong dems" from out prevail system the dnc made.
I told them to get their friends and neighbors to help them. That is really the most fun. I had my friends come out when their schedule was available. I told them work when u can. That way they felt that they weren't being pressured. The calls I had on my cell that day were beyond beyond.
"I need more literature" - the Webb campaign brought us over 3000 pieces of literature mid day.
I now have 42 precinct chairs in place for the next election. This wasn't perfect but webb beat allen big time in our city and the surrounding areas. And as I said before, NOVA made a big leap for Webb.
95.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:31 pmReply to this
Phil, I have your basic Zone Alarm freeby. I looked into some very hot shot firewalls (since Window's is dreck), and decided they gave me waaaaaaaaaaay too much information, lol!
96.linda bWed, 11/15/063:32 pmReply to this
Apparently it was the females in the younger generation who wouldn't.
females in va voted for webb over allen. they aren't so stupid to believe a quote from a book or article 30 years ago. hey I lived through that era and got over it. those women from the academy looked amazingly bad coming out at that time against webb.
really bad.
97.linda bWed, 11/15/063:37 pmReply to this
and a personal quote from that "era".
I was a filght attendant for a major airline. I took my daughter up to d.c for the day on the local commuter airline.
Just after boarding, the pilot came back into the cabin. I knew him from previous flights. He said hi and I introduced him to my daughter, Kim. He said "oh kim do you want to be a flight attendant when you grow up?
Kim said "no, I am going to be a pilot" . The guy looked shocked. Then walked away.
kim's been "spirited" like that ever since.
98.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:44 pmReply to this
LOL! Kim's mum musta been doing something right, all along. . . .
99.jc Wed, 11/15/063:47 pmReply to this
Yes, Kim's mother is taking back Virginia.
100.seashellWed, 11/15/063:47 pmReply to this
101.AnnilowWed, 11/15/063:48 pmReply to this
http://www.dailykos.com/KOS has 'leadership polls' up to vote on how Dem leaders are doing, inc. Howard and Rahm.
102.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:49 pmReply to this
If even a small percentage of the seeds Howard planted grow as fast and as strong as lindab, the rePublicans should just give up right now. . . .
103.mary vbWed, 11/15/063:49 pmReply to this
Do you approve of Howard Dean's leadership?Here's the poll from Kos.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/15...
104.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/063:50 pmReply to this
linda bWed, 11/15/063:07 pm
Linda. I dont know who you were addressing your post to...but I have ALL of Webb's books.
Everyone of them has his signature in them with soemthing to "me". Webb and I have met on several occassions. We are both members of the USNI and frequent attendees at the USNI conventions...and we have both spoken at USNI settings. (he on far more occassions then I of course).
I was pleased for so many reasons to see WEbb beat Allen. Not the least of the reasons was that it killed Allens' presidential hopes.
Robert
105.jc Wed, 11/15/063:51 pmReply to this
103.
I guess Carville is one of the 3 percenters. LOL
106.mary vbWed, 11/15/063:53 pmReply to this
Rahm isn't looking so golden over at Daily Kos. Nor is Gollum Carville.
107.puddle Wed, 11/15/063:54 pmReply to this
Do you approve of the Rahm Emanuel's job? Yes 530 votes - 43 % No
680 votes - 56 %
108.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/063:56 pmReply to this
I like to think my personal efforts make a 100 vote difference; it is clear linda, that you did many times that.
Tim might have topped you he worked on it so long, but not many others did.
109.Rocky JonesWed, 11/15/063:56 pmReply to this
jc Wed, 11/15/063:21 pm
Apparently it was the females in the younger generation who wouldn't. ..
Webb and his statements on women in the USN in particular and at Canoe U in specific has made himself extremly unpopular with females in the USN/USMC and USCG.
It is hard for people outside the military to have a real clue how hard it has been for women in the military, parituclarly officers to push into the jobs which give them a good chance at promotion. The females in the youngest generation have not really seen that level of nonesense because Webb's earlier comments have simply become unsustainable in the USN...but there is enormous "legacy" value.
Most of the under 30 set of women in the sea services were mentored by women who did feel directly the lash of Webb's words and actions while SecNAV.
It is astonishing to me that the "fem libers" on the far left who are so "woman watch me roar" on every other issue roll over so quickly when it comes to supporting women in the military. These are women who actually are working for what they are getting.
Oh well
Robert
110.jc Wed, 11/15/063:58 pmReply to this
Even Chuckie Schumer has a better approval on that poll than Rahm Emanuel.
111.jc Wed, 11/15/064:00 pmReply to this
Robert,
It is hard for people outside the female gender to have a real clue how hard it has been for women. Period.
BTW, your comments in the past aren't advancing your supposed interest in women's issues.
112.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:02 pmReply to this
Re: Webb. I'm thrilled he won. That said, I chatted with a girlfriend the other day who is a retired JAG Colonel who wasn't so thrilled. She had two girlfriends work for him *years* ago who didn't/don't think too highly of him. Don't know any details.I like his populist message and I think he's come into the 21st century with regard to women. And he sure beats that idiot, Allen.
113.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:03 pmReply to this
The term fem libbers went out with shaboom btw.
114.jc Wed, 11/15/064:05 pmReply to this
115.puddle Wed, 11/15/064:07 pmReply to this
t is astonishing to me that the "fem libers" on the far left who are so "woman watch me roar" on every other issue roll over so quickly when it comes to supporting women in the military. These are women who actually are working for what they are getting.
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Once again, you manage to dis "fem libers" by implying that they haven't worked for what they are getting.
Please, please, please NEVER be on my side, lol!
116.jc Wed, 11/15/064:09 pmReply to this
"Please, please, please NEVER be on my side, lol!"
puddle,
If he ever is, it will only be because you're winning!
117.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:10 pmReply to this
116. LOL! The front runner.
118.Sitka Wed, 11/15/064:16 pmReply to this
109. Rocky Jones
You made a good point -- and then had to finish it with an ad hominem insult. Only a fool builds a bridge and then burns it.
You could be a valuable contributor here if you weren't ruled by hateful self-aggrandizement.
119.puddle Wed, 11/15/064:18 pmReply to this
Looks to me like having him on your side could drop you right out of the front runner spot, as he runs around insulting your supporters. . . . Maybe that's a new theory for Iowa, lol!
120._ FiReFoX!Wed, 11/15/064:24 pmReply to this
Well, you have to give his staff credit. After reading all the comments and diaries trashing him, he does a major attempt to kiss @sses of the grassroots.
121.Denise Wed, 11/15/064:24 pmReply to this
My Family Spaghetti Sauce - Yum!! (for the non-vegans among us)2 lbs meat of your choice; some suggestions include:Pork neck bones (quit laughing, they’re good!)Lamb shoulder, cubedPork ribsMeatballs (if you need directions, let me know)Ground chuckItalian SausageAny combo of the meat above will do, if you like variety.Seasonings¾ tsp thyme¾ tsp fennel seed2 Bay Leaves (dried)3 good clumps of fresh basil1 loose handful of parsley flakes3 tbls oregano3 big onions, chopped up fine6 cloves of garlic, minced1 good tbls salt1 tbls black pepper1 cup fresh ground Romano Cheese1 lg can tomato pasteTomatoesYou have a choice – you can use plum tomatoes and prepare them for your sauce base. To do this, bring them to a boil, cool, peel and mash them with a potato masher. If you don’t want seeds, remove them before mashing.Or, you can use 2 large cans of crushed Italian plum tomatoes (try to use imported from Italy)In a separate pot, bring neck bones to a boil. Let simmer for 3 minutes. DrainIn large saucepan, brown other meats in olive oil. Remove from pot and put on the side.Saute onions and garlic.Follow up with paste and tomatoes. Let paste and tomatoes fry a little. Then add 2 cans of water to help dissolve paste.Other items you can add are chopped green pepper, mushrooms, hot banana peppers and red wine. Saute the mushrooms and green pepper with the meat, if you decide to use them. Add the hot peppers as is, with seeds removed.Simmer on low 3-4 hours, tasting periodically for flavor. If too thin, add more water.
122.teatimetim NE OhioWed, 11/15/064:25 pmReply to this
94.
linda bWed, 11/15/063:29 pm
I have to say the volunteers were amazing. But the hardest thing is getting them all, and getting them on board.
I made well over 2000 volunteer calls. No one calls you back if you leave a message so you just keep calling back till you talk to them.
On election day we had 150 volunteers working 96 precincts. And we were able before that to get 24,000 get out the vote calls done in about 4 days.
Ad getting the lawn signs out, canvassing in the cold on Saturdays in snow, processing the voter files, calling people for money, going to every candidate forum in the known universe, the lit drops, and mini lit drops, and man alive it wears you out.
that all being said, I think our experience was similar to Shea's race but we lost. A lot of Dems did very well in Republican strong hold. Marian Haris got 45% of the vote in one of the most Republican District in Ohio.
My candidate Ray Ku, got 43% in the most republican county. Reps who ran in the last 5 races who were dems in this area got between 29% and 33.5% of the vote.
Best of all we know where the last 3500 votes we need can be had and will correct that in O8
Even better, we have an ever increasing volunteer race, and now the Republican party in this county is giving us a hand through a fracture.
You did Great Linda, and so many of you Did. And Phil, I'm sure worked his ass off too.
To all of you who worked, lets meet in NH and drink a few and tell war stories. I'm sure Sal will drink with us. :)
123.teatimetim NE OhioWed, 11/15/064:27 pmReply to this
jc Wed, 11/15/064:05 pm
That bumper sticker reminds me of Sargent Schafer. She was all of 5 foot, but love to cary the M60 on patrols.
124.Sitka Wed, 11/15/064:28 pmReply to this
Looks to me like having him on your side could drop you right out of the front runner spot, as he runs around insulting your supporters. . . .
"Hello! My name is Robert and I'm going door to door in this neighborhood to tell insignificant ignorami like you to get out and support (insert name). He's a flawed candidate who doesn't even begin to measure up to me as a wise expert and great leader, but he's good enough for the likes of you to vote for. Nameste Gong!"
125.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:29 pmReply to this
120. Wouldn't you rather he kiss arsses publicly than diss Dean publicly a la Rahm and Gollum?
126._ FiReFoX!Wed, 11/15/064:30 pmReply to this
114
Love it!
I have a framed picture of a volleyball player with a determined look ready to serve with the words:
<>You run like a girl
<>You hit like a girl
You throw like a girl
You serve 60 mph
(then in big letters)
IN THEIR FACE
LIKE A
GIRL
(don't know why I have spaces between every line, doesn't give m single space)
127.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:33 pmReply to this
run like a girl...my brothers taught me to play baseball when I was young but told me not to run like a girl. I said *but I am a girl!*Now when I play baseball with my sons and his buddies - they say *Mrs vb plays like a man*. I guess that's a compliment?
128.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:34 pmReply to this
I have one son. S/b son not sons.
129.Joan* In*FloridaWed, 11/15/064:38 pmReply to this
Speaking of Howard's birthday Friday and a DNC contribution, that is great. But did you know that only 35,000 contributors are signed up for Democracy Bonds, one of Howard's initiatives to raise money just like the bat did on Dean For America. I find that incredibly low, surely there are more than 35,000 Democrats among the millions who could afford a few bucks a month taken out of their credit cards. I've had mine since its inception and, since plastic is always painless for me (probably in too many ways) I find it easy and I never forget what Howard has done for America. Consider Democracy Bonds rather than one contribution, maybe in the amount of 20.08 each month. You can easily cancel it online if it becomes too burdensome.
130.puddle Wed, 11/15/064:39 pmReply to this
Ya. It's always a compliment when they say it. Never been able to figure that one out, lol!
131.Huron John Wed, 11/15/064:40 pmReply to this
A lot of troll-feeding going on.
132.jc Wed, 11/15/064:40 pmReply to this
119.
puddle,
I've supported that theory for some time.
133.Joan* In*FloridaWed, 11/15/064:40 pmReply to this
LOL Sitka, very funny.
134.jc Wed, 11/15/064:42 pmReply to this
When I was coaching a winning girls' team, the coach of the losing boys team used "You're playing like girls!" to insult his team. I told him, "You wish!"
135.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:44 pmReply to this
More on Gollum Carville's consultant con from Myddhttp://www.mydd.com/
136.Joan* In*FloridaWed, 11/15/064:45 pmReply to this
Denise, does that recipe come in a jar? It would take me a half day to put that stuff together. Does sound delicious though.
137.mary vbWed, 11/15/064:48 pmReply to this
Thanks for reminding me of Howard's bday, Joan. I'll send a donation to the DNC in his honor. Are you ending it with an .06 for his successes or are we doing .08 etc?
138.Denise Wed, 11/15/064:56 pmReply to this
Hi Joan - no jars in our house growing up. Italian sacralige!!It really does not take long to prep - just to cook, unless you make meatballs. About 20 minutes of prep and then just let it simmer until the meat is tender. ;)
139.jc Wed, 11/15/065:04 pmReply to this
I stand corrected.
Carville is one of the two percenters.
Do you approve of the way DNC Chairman Howard Dean is doing his job?
Yes97%
No2%
140.jc Wed, 11/15/065:05 pmReply to this
Sounds yummy, Denise!
141.jc Wed, 11/15/065:08 pmReply to this
"A lot of troll-feeding going on."
Oh, do they like spaghetti?
142.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:21 pmReply to this
About a year into the China gig, a bunch of us Americans were sitting around talking about the Murican food we missed the most: Pizza, tacos, spaghet, burritos, LOL! No one actually missed steak and hamburgers. I most missed tunafish sandwiches, which I guess ARE Murican. . . .
143.jc Wed, 11/15/065:29 pmReply to this
puddle,
In South Africa, as a kid, I missed fast food hamburgers and white sliced bread. (Now I don't like either.) We'd make our own pizza and hamburgers (those in restaurants were made of ground lamb). The bread over there was bought at a bakery, the heavy whole-grained stuff, which I love now. As a kid, I would have traded a lot for some Wonder Bread. LOL
144.mary vbWed, 11/15/065:29 pmReply to this
142. When we first moved to Italy I was amazed to find a Chinese restaurant there. Chinese wait-staff who only spoke Italian and the menu and food was served Italian-style. Prima, secondo, etc. I missed peanut butter the most!
145.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:35 pmReply to this
vb, peanute butter wasn't a problem in China, lots of it, and all kinds of other nut butters, too. Thankgiving was kinda tough though: the only turkeys were in the ZOO, lol! (And believe me, we thought about liberating one. . . . Then decided the headlines would look really bad. . . . )
jc, I made a big deal out of bread baking when my kids were little. To be told, they couldn't even trade their sandwiches at lunch, would I please buy Wonderbread®?
146.jc Wed, 11/15/065:38 pmReply to this
vb,
I ate pizza in London. LOL
147.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:39 pmReply to this
Last week brought the victory we all fought so hard for, and I know that we all want to take a deep breath and relish the fruits of our labor. But we can't do that just yet because there are still some candidates fighting it out. There are recounts for House races still going on in battleground states like Ohio and Florida and we are right in the thick of them. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) has already dispatched the best legal teams, our brightest organizers and our most tenacious recount specialists to help our candidates in these states where, too often, voters have been denied their rights. It was Democratic unity and tenacity that put us in the majority and we owe it to our candidates to stay in the fight until the end. They can still win if we stand with them -- just last night, Democrat Joe Courtney locked up his victory in Connecticut's second Congressional District - and our new progressive majority led by Nancy Pelosi will be even stronger. We all gave everything we had to winning on November 7th, but we cannot stop until every vote is counted. I know you have already done so much this election cycle, but I am hoping that you can help support all our efforts in these critical days. Leave No Voter Behind: Fund the Recount Effort We at the DCCC spent every penny we had to win a Democratic majority in the House on Election Day. But there are still more seats to be won -- and more votes to be counted. I know that we are all winded, exhausted, and elated after what had to be the fiercest mid-term election in history. But please allow us to give every candidate the help they need to make sure every vote is counted. Onward, Rahm EmanuelChairman, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
148.jc Wed, 11/15/065:39 pmReply to this
My sister was in Argentina recently and amazed to find no sour cream, or even anyone who had a clue what it was or what to do with it.
149.jc Wed, 11/15/065:40 pmReply to this
Maybe Rahm should ask Kerry for his recount fund.
150.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:40 pmReply to this
Rahm is trying to help his poll numbers.
151.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:42 pmReply to this
Kerry won't be needing it, he was the only casualty of the election.
152.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:43 pmReply to this
Or visit the Museum of Vintage Fashion and see everything from a 1907 mourning coat to dolls made from slices of Wonderbread soaked in glue. So if you’ve “been there, done that” one too many times, get off the main road and venture Off the Beaten Path.
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the only thing I ever found Wonderbread good for. 1 part white bread with crusts removed 1 part white glue food coloring (optional) I usually find that for 2 slices of wonderbread, I need about 1/4 of a normal sized bottle of Elmer's. Crumble bread into small bits. Add glue. If too dry or sticky, add a few drops of water. Weather really effects this stuff so the recipe will have to be adjusted slightly for humidity. Add food coloring if you want. (I make Christmas dove ornaments with this without food coloring.) To use, mold just like clay. Don't crumble it though. I like to roll it out flat about the width of a #2 pencil and cut out shapes for Christmas tree ornaments for friends. After shaping let dry. Thin pieces obviously take less time. I let them dry at least an hour. For bigger pieces, I might leave them for a few hours to be certain. Finish the items by either spraying with hairspray, or painting with clear nailpolish or high gloss varnish. Don't forget if you make tree ornaments to leave a hole in the top where ribbon can be run through.
153.jc Wed, 11/15/065:43 pmReply to this
"Leave No Voter Behind"
hmmm, the title sounds like one Rove did once upon a time...
154.puddle Wed, 11/15/065:45 pmReply to this
I took the kids to Montreal once (when I worked for Amtrak), we had only an afternoon before the return train, so we hit the closest attraction: Chinatown. The fortune cookies were in French, lol!
155.Jo*in*Vermont Wed, 11/15/065:45 pmReply to this
hi all you good progressive peoples!! this is just a drive-by to post this from yesterday. my thanks to Mr. Moore - well done! sorry if a repost, haven't had any time to read the back threads. ************************************
A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives
November 14th, 2006
To My Conservative Brothers and Sisters,
I know you are dismayed and disheartened at the results of last week's election. You're worried that the country is heading toward a very bad place you don't want it to go. Your 12-year Republican Revolution has ended with so much yet to do, so many promises left unfulfilled. You are in a funk, and I understand.
Well, cheer up, my friends! Do not despair. I have good news for you. I, and the millions of others who are now in charge with our Democratic Congress, have a pledge we would like to make to you, a list of promises that we offer you because we value you as our fellow Americans. You deserve to know what we plan to do with our newfound power -- and, to be specific, what we will do to you and for you.
Thus, here is our Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives:
Dear Conservatives and Republicans,
I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will never, ever, call you "unpatriotic" simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.
2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral." Who you marry is none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.
3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it for you.
4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.
5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.
6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too, breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.
7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to justice. Immediately. We will protect you.
8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.
9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.
11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.
I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the world.
Signed,
Michael Moore
(Click here to sign the pledge)
www.michaelmoore.com
P.S. Please feel free to pass this on.
156.Jo*in*Vermont Wed, 11/15/065:50 pmReply to this
ahh, how I love your stories of world travels and food!
157.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:51 pmReply to this
BTW I think it is the Party not the candidate that should pay for any recount, and Howard can chip in for Mary Jo too. Rahm is doing the right thing and he should take out a loan if he is broke.
158.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/065:56 pmReply to this
You would have to think all of those K street types are pouring money into the Democrats thinking we will cut midnight deals too in conference.
let them (and then cut them off at the knees)
159.jc Wed, 11/15/065:57 pmReply to this
157.
I'd feel better if any recount funds got funneled through Howard. I'd still like to know what Kerry did with the money he collected for the recount he never did.
160.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/066:03 pmReply to this
I just want one more race to flip so I win the pool. lol
Kerry forfeited any chance of being the nominee again when he did not fight in Ohio. Blackwell was worse than Harris.
161.linda bWed, 11/15/066:08 pmReply to this
122.teatimetim NE OhioWed, 11/15/064:25 pmReply to this
94.
linda bWed, 11/15/063:29 pm
I have to say the volunteers were amazing. But the hardest thing is getting them all, and getting
no, tim and phil , u are my heroes and mentors. i just did what I needed to do. you are the best. always have. always will.
162.seashellWed, 11/15/066:10 pmReply to this
New thread and I got firsties, typing so fast it doesn't make a lot of sense. :-)
163.puddle Wed, 11/15/066:11 pmReply to this
New thread
164.Phil SpechtWed, 11/15/066:18 pmReply to this
We have a battle shaping up for State Party Chair and it is a job that requires neutrality.
I have a favorite that is very grassroots oriented but it will be hard to best Sally Petersen's record.
It is a tough job in a Presidential cycle here.If we don't change any of the rules it will be easier.
It will make the Christmas party more interesting to watch the maneurvering.
Tom Harkin is up and I'll probably go with his choice since we see things from the same point of view politically.
165.Mz*LittleWed, 11/15/066:32 pmReply to this
To be told, they couldn't even trade their sandwiches at lunch, would I please buy Wonderbread
Puddle, I made "pumpkin bread" for my kids lunches. basically white bread with pumpkin as the moisture provider. Makes the bread a wonderful golden color and it made the best cheese and baloney sandwiches. kids always wanted to trade my kids, but no go!
166.The Honorable Jessica FalkerWed, 11/15/066:34 pmReply to this
129. JoanI think 35,000 monthly contributors is pretty good. If each one is contributing just $10/mnth that's $350,000/mnth being taken in.If the average monthly contribution is $50, thats $1.75 million per month coming in every month, with no additional fundraising efforts needed!
167.Jack PoloWed, 11/15/066:40 pmReply to this
I have my old computer back with an upgrade to IE 7 on XP and it is running fine.
I haven't had an Apple since my IIE so I don't have a clue about Safari but I have switched back and forth from Netscape and Mozilla
http://www.ppyj.info
Iowa's Voter Activation Network software is great. We updated daily and turned out 82% of the Dems. 72% was all we did for Kerry which is good, but the troops were fired up this cycle.
the linda b like efforts were the difference nationwide but her heroic effort may have been the actual difference
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